It's Quiet - a new dawn

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domalino said:
I'm employing the "manager who's worked with a player for a year would know by now if he had the characteristics to play pivot" fallacy.
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I'd refer to @CityStu's response regarding intervening factors as counterpoint (I was going to post the same but he beat me to it). Again, you make fine points but this situation was/is not without further context.

I simply do not think the argument for Stones as a "pivot" DM is so easy to dismiss. Now, if he played there for any period of time and was found wanting, I could then concede it should be dismissed. Until then no one can say anything about it with confidence—it's all our opinion/predictive analysis.
 
J_MCFC21 said:
Mbappe was quoted like 120m start of window, Sanchez around 60m same with VVD...Seen SamLee say we wanted Sanchez and Mbappe but obviously we did not factor Alves going PSG..Not sure how accurate / Realistic getting both would have been but would have been serious money being estimated. Who knows how much more we are yet to spend.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see us now have to pay close to 150 million for VVD and Sanchez.
 
SebastianBlue said:
I think you are really overestimating his reliance on his dribbling skills (or decision to employ them,) especially if he was in a different role with different tactical instructions.
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Probably, but when I see him put under pressure he panics and the only way out is to dribble. If you think he can hold his position and do one touch passing under pressure as well as Yaya then fine. If he is deployed there you can be sure of one thing and that is the opposition putting him under immense pressure knowing full well he's being played in the midfield.
 
City Raider said:
The Pep effect in action. This squad would not be built under any other manager as top players don't want to rotate.
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true but also our management was ruthless and inefficient with spending on ineffective players that are clearly not going to stick around and we're now having trouble offloading them. Pep seems to have a clear idea and the management for once seems to like him a lot, hope he stays longer here.
 
I honestly don't understand why we're still even mentioning VVD, he's good but not so good to spend £60m + on. He's never played a single CL game, is injury prone and regardless of his ability we need someone with more experience, who's played consistently at a higher level than just as a Saints center half. Inigo would be better than him.
 
I have been told it will be quiet until next transfer window. Arsenal are refusing to sell Sanchez as is everybody know but City didn't give up 100% on him there is little hope and it still exist.
 
Tevez City said:
I have been told it will be quiet until next transfer window. Arsenal are refusing to sell Sanchez as is everybody know but City didn't give up 100% on him there is little hope and it still exist.
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Strange... Pep publicly stated 2 more after Mendy, so did he lie?
 
Tevez City said:
I have been told it will be quiet until next transfer window. Arsenal are refusing to sell Sanchez as is everybody know but City didn't give up 100% on him there is little hope and it still exist.
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You've been told we're done?

By whom, may I ask? And did they give you any reasoning as to how we will be covering the defender and attacker deficiencies if all those players rumoured to be on their way out are sold?
 
Tevez City said:
I have been told it will be quiet until next transfer window. Arsenal are refusing to sell Sanchez as is everybody know but City didn't give up 100% on him there is little hope and it still exist.
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Who told you that?
 
SebastianBlue said:
I'd refer to @CityStu's response regarding intervening factors as counterpoint (I was going to post the same but he beat me to it). Again, you make fine points but this situation was/is not without further context.

I simply do not think the argument for Stones as a "pivot" DM is so easy to dismiss. Now, if he played there for any period of time and was found wanting, I could then concede it should be dismissed. Until then no one can say anything about it with confidence—it's all our opinion/predictive analysis.
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I think the fact that Stones had a few errors leading to goals/chances last year may have been an ample opportunity to put him in DM. A chance for Pep to say ok I'll see what you're like in that position but he never has. In fact he took him out completely rather than give him confidence in the pivot position. Now I'm not saying Stones wouldn't be perfect in that position but I just feel with Pep and with what Khaldoon said in the interview at the end of the season, Stones is being primed to be the CB for years to come much like Kompany is now and dare I say Ferdinand was for United. Interesting debate though :)
 
SebastianBlue said:
You've been told we're done?

By whom, may I ask? And did they give you any reasoning as to how we will be covering the defender and attacker deficiencies if all those players rumoured to be on their way out are sold?
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My source from Abu Dhabi, and he is close to City but that doesn't make him reliable.
This is the first test for him and at the end of the season I will see if he really know whats going on or he is just guessing :)
 
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