Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi

Supposed to be seeing this with the brother and father in law this week...now I'm not looking forward to it.
 
yankblue said:
I thought the movie was good, but very "Disney-fied". It was entertaining while I was in the theater and I was thoroughly immersed while watching, but looking back a good bit of the plot made no sense and I feel they really mishandled half the characters. Just my opinion, but these changes would've made the overall film an all-timer:
  • Finn should've died sacrificing himself in the end. The writers didn't seem to have much of an idea of what to do with his character in this movie. His whole story was a sidenote and I don't see that changing in the next sequel. His death would've actually created stakes for the series. Right now, the new generation of characters feels immortal and the last-minute-save seemed like a shoehorned "love" trope. His death also would've completed his character arc, going from a deserter and kind of a pussy to sacrificing himself to further the cause of the rebellion
  • The whole "space-Monaco" sub plot should have been scrapped, and that 30 minutes could've been used somewhere else. I have no idea what it actually added to the film, as neither the Empire's or the Rebel's plot was impacted by it in anyway. They went to find some random hacker-dude (this alone makes no sense), laid eyes on him for about 2 seconds, found another random dude with a weird lisp, only for him to end up betraying them and then for them to (shockingly!) escape. Again, I can't reiterate how this whole plot was all for nothing as it had no bearing on the outcome or either sides plans
  • Space Mary Poppins Leia was cringey and made no sense. That was an ideal moment to either kill Leia off in dramatic fashion, or just have her injured without being blasted into space and force floating back in. I get that this introduced the purple-haired Laura Dern character, but again I feel she was mis-handled. The whole is she bad/is she good mutiny felt forced and I really didn't care much while watching. I do think her sacrifice was quite breathtaking but would've worked just as well without the mutiny bit. Honestly, if you wanted to create tension or a power vacuum - I think a Poe vs Finn struggle would've been more interesting considering their history, and a better use of Finn than space-Monaco
  • They should've taken just some time to explain where Snoke came from. I get the purpose he served in completing Ren's downfall. However, he was about as boring as a villain as there can be because we have no idea how rose to power and took up the reins of this massive empire. How did he fly under the radar of the previous Jedi/Vader and appear out of thin air as head of a massive empire like 20 years later? I feel a 5 minute flashback or even a cursory voiceover - maybe showing him taking Ren under his wing after the incident with Luke, continuing to push him to the dark side - would've helped me link the two series together.
  • I felt that we needed just a bit more time with Rey and Luke. Maybe just a bit more of him teaching her to use the force (hey - maybe how to lift the rocks like shed did at the end of the film to save everyone?!?), or further alluding to her being drawn to the dark side. They just didn't seem to have a whole lot of time together, and I think that just a little more time building their relationship and expanding on Luke's fear of her falling to the dark side would've been useful
Get at me, Disney!
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Agree with all these except the last point. I thought those scenes in the Skelligs were interminable already.
 
I thought it was pretty woeful.

I just couldn't get my head around a few things.

For starters, the elapsed time from the start of TFA to the end of TLJ is about 2 weeks tops, that doesn't fly with me.

Then there's other things that don't add up.
  • How do bombs fall in space with no gravity? I understand it's a homage to WW2 war films etc, but it still has to make sense!
  • Laura Dern's character sacrificing herself, fine with that, but then why didn't the other two frigates that we see get blown up on the way do the same thing? We know they're going to die, take some of the others out with them.
As others have mentioned there's so many inconsistencies, plot holes and really poor character development that it is hard to take seriously.
 
billymumphrey said:
I thought it was pretty woeful.

I just couldn't get my head around a few things.

For starters, the elapsed time from the start of TFA to the end of TLJ is about 2 weeks tops, that doesn't fly with me.

Then there's other things that don't add up.
  • How do bombs fall in space with no gravity? I understand it's a homage to WW2 war films etc, but it still has to make sense!
  • Laura Dern's character sacrificing herself, fine with that, but then why didn't the other two frigates that we see get blown up on the way do the same thing? We know they're going to die, take some of the others out with them.
As others have mentioned there's so many inconsistencies, plot holes and really poor character development that it is hard to take seriously.
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This one I think I know. It's said that at the range the cruiser was at, the shields would hold. Presumably the First Order ships had weapons which are more powerful close up.

As it was, for some reason, the First Order only built one big gun on each ship so they could only lock onto the shuttles one at a time. Bit of an oversight.

I'd be interested in knowing (i) whether Boyega has more than one expression or any acting ability and (ii) what Gwendolyn Christie did to have her role made so utterly futile.
 
billymumphrey said:
I thought it was pretty woeful.

I just couldn't get my head around a few things.

For starters, the elapsed time from the start of TFA to the end of TLJ is about 2 weeks tops, that doesn't fly with me.

Then there's other things that don't add up.
  • How do bombs fall in space with no gravity? I understand it's a homage to WW2 war films etc, but it still has to make sense!
  • Laura Dern's character sacrificing herself, fine with that, but then why didn't the other two frigates that we see get blown up on the way do the same thing? We know they're going to die, take some of the others out with them.
As others have mentioned there's so many inconsistencies, plot holes and really poor character development that it is hard to take seriously.
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On the bombs, it's science fiction so doesn't need to make sense.

on Laura dern and the other ships, she was in a last case scenario situation , sorry but it was not the best star wars, but the only people who don't seem to like it have only seen the 8 films (I am not saying you btw)

I admittedly liked it probaby my 6th fav tbf but stil l think it seems cool to slag it.

Some of them

It kept to most star wars tropes and for me the citicism shown exactly what older, more jaded members of the old trilogy feel

bu then it also

showed Luke who failed as a jedi master, thinking fuck it is normal behviour to not care.
 
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I slagged the film off when i watched it at the cinema. Growing up as a fan with the original trilogy, TLJ just legt me feeling disappointed leaving my seat. What i would definately say is you will need to watch it more that once to fully comprehend what the film was doing.

Have to hold my hands up and say I actually like it after watching it a few times now. Yes the plot around the fuel and the casino were pretty naff but the film was actually focusing on failure and dispelling the myth that all is rosey all the time

The killing of Snoke i thought was shit at first, but watching again it was actually sticking to what basically a sith would do. Senses weakness and distraction in the master, takes the opportunity to rise up and become the master himself.

Honestly you need to watch it more than once.
 
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Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot said:
Phantom Menace birthed Jar Jar Binks!! I hate Anekin's character as well.... it was all bullshit tbh.

The second trilogy were all bad tbh. These last 2 haven't been perfect, but they're miles ahead of the other 3 that were released.
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Piss off, ROTS was superb. Bit disappointed by this one tbf, rate RJ as a director but probably the worst star wars film since TPM, really disjointed.
 
Not nearly as bad as the prequels for me, or deserving of the extent of the internet hate, but there were some issues for sure as has been said. Mary Poppins Leia?

Rian Johnson’s “Ozymandias” is possibly the greatest thing ever seen on the small screen. So I’ve got to believe the talent is there. It would have been better for 7-9 to have consistent screenwriting and direction though. Don’t understand the chopping and changing.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Piss off, ROTS was superb. Bit disappointed by this one tbf, rate RJ as a director but probably the worst star wars film since TPM, really disjointed.
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Not having that, TPM was pretty much unwatchable, had I been the age I am now and watched that film in the cinema I would have walked out.....

I put the last Jedi in the same bracket as Return of the Jedi, some parts are annoying, and/or pointless, but I feel I could watch that film again in a few years time.... where as the prequels have no revisiting purpose, as they were that bad!
 
Who is snoke and where did he come from?
Are we meant to accept that the first order had to wait for the rebels to run out of petrol?
Space Leia!!!!
When did the force permit astral projection across a galaxy?
Luke who would not give up on Darth Vader just gives up on his nephew.
Why is Finn in the film/story?

It’s turd really isn’t it.
 
BlueMoonz1977 said:
I slagged the film off when i watched it at the cinema. Growing up as a fan with the original trilogy, TLJ just legt me feeling disappointed leaving my seat. What i would definately say is you will need to watch it more that once to fully comprehend what the film was doing.

Have to hold my hands up and say I actually like it after watching it a few times now. Yes the plot around the fuel and the casino were pretty naff but the film was actually focusing on failure and dispelling the myth that all is rosey all the time

The killing of Snoke i thought was shit at first, but watching again it was actually sticking to what basically a sith would do. Senses weakness and distraction in the master, takes the opportunity to rise up and become the master himself.

Honestly you need to watch it more than once.
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Thinking about it, the real problem with the Snoke thing was a poorly written build-up. I'm fine with what you suggest, and just after he'd been belittled and cast aside, but it didn't quite seem to have the trigger written.

Some explanation of where Snoke came from so fast would have been nice.
 
Who is snoke and where did he come from?
the outer regions where the empire fled after defeat at the battle of jakku amd reformed as the first order itis all told in tge battlefronts game
Are we meant to accept that the first order had to wait for the rebels to run out of petrol?
Yeah that was a very flimsly plot point
Space Leia!!!!
Jedis and Sith can float/fly using the force, Dooku does it in the clone wars series and vader does it in battlefronts 2
When did the force permit astral projection across a galaxy?
Luke does it a lot in the dark empire series
Luke who would not give up on Darth Vader just gives up on his nephew.
Luke explained it in his recap to rey and yoda said it to him too he has an emotional attatchmemt to the force and it led to his failiure
Why is Finn in the film/story?
Agree was wasted after the potential of TFA

One thing is where are the nights of ren? or were they snokes red guardsmen? none of that is explained


Think they used bits without thought that not everybody will watch the animated series and play the video games linking parts of the plot and at the same time tasked Johnson with opening up the series to new charactors and a direction away from the old themes and set
up to move the star wars franchise away from the first 6 films.


It would make sense to set one of the Star Was spin off films like rogue one in the inbetween years of ROTJ and TFA to explain snoke and the rise of the first order imho
 
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