I think they will just disallow other goals for minor offences instead.
And no way Atkinson would have changed his decision on Ashley Young, he saw it clearly in real time as did his linesman (who he didn't ask).
He'd just say he got the ball & there was 'doubt'.
Don't agree with them, but I can see where people who aren't in favor of VAR are coming from. The current system of retroactively booking players for fouls/dives is spotty at best and doesn't do anything at the moment the foul occurs. With VAR, the call can be reviewed, but there's no assumption that the person watching the replays actually knows what they're doing or are immune to favorism. I'm assuming that if and when VAR is implemented, the retroactive review process will cease to exist and all we can do is talk about what should have been. It reduces the doubt from missed angles and such, but there probably won't be anything to do about correcting calls without a lengthy appeals process.So we stick with the current system which you admit is shite...??!! And with that its guaranteed to never get any better.
Totally illogical to me, but each to their own....
Indeed. I don’t understand how any footballing fan can possibly be against it. Who cares if it takes 2 mins to get a decision, it will get the right decision 90% of the time and that’s a whole lot better than the shit we’re continuously dealt with from these corrupt refs. Had VAR been used we’d probably be 4-2 up going in to that second half tonight.How any city fan wouldn't want VAR after whats gone on this season, defies any sense of logic to me.....
Don't agree with them, but I can see where people who aren't in favor of VAR are coming from. The current system of retroactively booking players for fouls/dives is spotty at best and doesn't do anything at the moment the foul occurs. With VAR, the call can be reviewed, but there's no assumption that the person watching the replays actually knows what they're doing or are immune to favorism. I'm assuming that if and when VAR is implemented, the retroactive review process will cease to exist and all we can do is talk about what should have been. It reduces the doubt from missed angles and such, but there probably won't be anything to do about correcting calls without a lengthy appeals process.
It's a slippery slope, but at least it holds the head referee more accountable than the current system. Only thing that needs to be assured is that the video reviewer is impartial in every competition and match.
Indeed. I don’t understand how any footballing fan can possibly be against it. Who cares if it takes 2 mins to get a decision, it will get the right decision 90% of the time and that’s a whole lot better than the shit we’re continuously dealt with from these corrupt refs. Had VAR been used we’d probably be 4-2 up going in to that second half tonight.
Unless it is transparent and the crowd can see and hear what is being discussed, I just dont see it being that successful - as you say who is to say the assessor isn't as bent as the ref officiatingDon't agree with them, but I can see where people who aren't in favor of VAR are coming from. The current system of retroactively booking players for fouls/dives is spotty at best and doesn't do anything at the moment the foul occurs. With VAR, the call can be reviewed, but there's no assumption that the person watching the replays actually knows what they're doing or are immune to favorism. I'm assuming that if and when VAR is implemented, the retroactive review process will cease to exist and all we can do is talk about what should have been. It reduces the doubt from missed angles and such, but there probably won't be anything to do about correcting calls without a lengthy appeals process.
It's a slippery slope, but at least it holds the head referee more accountable than the current system. Only thing that needs to be assured is that the video reviewer is impartial in every competition and match.
This is my objection to it. If the crowd can't see the images on the big screen then it's just refs deciding who they want to win.Unless it is transparent and the crowd can see and hear what is being discussed, I just dont see it being that successful - as you say who is to say the assessor isn't as bent as the ref officiating
Refs decide matches more than the teams do. We had at least 5 major decisions go against us in this tie. 5. There’s just no way to overcome such blatant cheating, it’s impossible. Due to the ref we were left with needing to score 4 with 40 mins to go, more or less impossible. When the stakes are this high we absolutely need technology.Exactly... Shows how much under the current system Refs affect the outcome of games and that it never "evens itself out" as some would suggest.
Nah there’s no way refs could cheat with offside goals though is there? The refs won’t be able to get away with it if they cheat because they’ll no longer have that excuse of “I thought I saw this”.... bla bla. If they even attempted to cheat with the VAR system they would get absolutely hammered by everyone and would get demoted. There’s a lot more room to cheat in the current outdated setup.This is my objection to it. If the crowd can't see the images on the big screen then it's just refs deciding who they want to win.
That said the way we've been twated over the last 3 games I'd take it in a flash. NOTHING can be as bad as the refereeing decisions we have had in our last 3 games.
We could’ve advanced or playing in extra time had things actually been called properly. The game is in a sad place when we have this ‘take what you get’ or ‘getting a favorable call in lieu of a missed/bad call prior’ mentality when it comes to officiating. The refs are treated as they can do no wrong while the players and managers have to hold their tongue in response to obviously false or ignored calls.I do appreciate it is never going to be perfect. And there is a possibility it can still be abused (however the current system is hardly legit and above board as it is). However, lets take the Liverpool games. If it was just limited to offsides only, the first game finishes 2 1, and tonight we go 2 up. We may not have gone thru, but we very well might have done.... Never mind the Sterling penalty incident....!!! It would have corrected most of those incorrect decisions, and that changes the eventual outcome
Unless it is transparent and the crowd can see and hear what is being discussed, I just dont see it being that successful - as you say who is to say the assessor isn't as bent as the ref officiating
Good post, I agree with every word. Honestly, after today I’m questioning whether following this sport is worth it anymore. So many bad calls against you can’t just be a coincidence and like you said, I’d like to see a compilation of all the decisions that have gone against us.I’d love to see an in-depth video collage of all the big decisions that have gone against us this season. Earlier on we just pissed by teams so and none of the decisions nor the potentially career ending tackles that went unpunished had much of an affect on our game or the players on the receiving end of said tackles, so they didn’t matter so much.
but now at the business end of the season these poxy decisions going against us have really stemmed our flow. It must be so disheartening for the players, because as fans our frustrations are palpable but for the players I can’t begin to imagine having to be on the same pitch being officiated by cheats. Yer man tonight Lahoz winking at the camera to then go on and rob us of a sporting chance in the tie the way he did, the sheer fucking brass balls on the ****. More should be made of this, he should be made an example of him for being an arrogant cheat. even Poll came out and said we’ve been on the wrong side of poor referring decisions the last 3 games. To be fair anyone who watches City will know it’s been for a few seasons now, but in this quarter finals the decisions have really fucked us up
-the dippers offside goal that stood last week,
-our onside goal that was disallowed at Anfield
-the penalty in the dying mins at Anfield plus the two other decisions that night makes it potentially 2-2 going into the second leg
-our second goal tonight disallowed for offside when Milner played the ball and Leroy by the letter of the law of the game couldn’t be offside, 5officials couldn’t see it
- Bernardo getting booked after the hand ball decision when it also rattled off Miller’s arm first, so handball one way I’m that scenario is also hand ball the other (and another potential penalty not given)
- firmino avoiding his second yellow and going on to score the winner tonight
- no added time in the first half when we where absolutely bettering them
- the refs game management to stem our flow and allow the time wasting from earlymon in the first half
- pep sent off by this narcissistic prick at half time
These are just some of the factors that fucked us over he two legs and even though we were shite at Anfield, 5-1 is not a true representation of what actually happens over the 180mins. We played some of the most high intensity football I’ve ever seen in the second leg first half, we where relentless but got shafted by bent officials.
Same at the derby on Saturday (I won’t go into that now because I’ve already posted elsewhere) it boils my fucking blood that the ****s are allowed to get away with it at this level of football, and to do it so blatantly in front of the whole world watching.
It’s really heartbreaking, so much so that if I’m honest with myself and stop making excuses for these ****s in charge of the game, I feel I’m honestly falling out of love with the game of football, and I am a football fanatic, the game that’s been a huge part of my life, the game I’ve adored since Italia 90 when I was 7years old. A swindle is one thing, but to taint so heavily a sport that millions of people love, it goes beyond disrespect. They should be ashamed the whole horrible nasty polluted lot of them
UEFA and the big boys don’t like us nor do they like psg. It’s no surprise both of us get shafted by referees in Europe it’s not a coincidence.I never thought id hear myself say it or even think it but I'm starting to doubt the whole integrity of football in general due to some of the things i have witnessed officials rule on this year. Seeing something which is clearly against the rules and not ruling it so is cheating and there is no other word to describe it.
Some of the decisions we've had against us this year have been staggering. If its parity were after its supposed to be swings and roundabouts however the roundabouts have been in very short supply.
This is starting to trouble me greatly.
I never thought id hear myself say it or even think it but I'm starting to doubt the whole integrity of football in general due to some of the things i have witnessed officials rule on this year. Seeing something which is clearly against the rules and not ruling it so is cheating and there is no other word to describe it.
Some of the decisions we've had against us this year have been staggering. If its parity were after its supposed to be swings and roundabouts however the roundabouts have been in very short supply.
This is starting to trouble me greatly.
This.UEFA and the big boys don’t like us nor do they like psg. It’s no surprise both of us get shafted by referees in Europe it’s not a coincidence.
Good post, I agree with every word. Honestly, after today I’m questioning whether following this sport is worth it anymore. So many bad calls against you can’t just be a coincidence and like you said, I’d like to see a compilation of all the decisions that have gone against us.
I still don’t understand why UEFA persist with the wankers behind the goal. They very rarely make a goal and even when they do, it’s mostly the wrong one. I refuse to believe he couldn’t see that the ball had bounced off Milner, there’s just honestly no way he could not see that.