Jorginho

[93.01]

Depends on the mix in midfield and or who jorghino will start with. There are games where City benefit from the work and security Fernandhino gives us. However, City played numerous games last season where there was no real dm in the side, and they dealt with teams at ease. So although I query jorghinos defensive game. I think it's a case of wait and see. Don't believe pep would not have factored in how the team will function with the addition of new players this season.

 

[oldius]

I love Ferna and think he's a key player in the team. However he was missing for 40 mins against Arsenal at Wembley (when we took over), he then missed the game at the Emirates a few days later (when we were irresistible for 45 mins) and at Spurs which was arguably one of our most complete performances.
The much maligned (on here anyway) Gundogan was excellent in all the above games.

Some people just need a whipping boy. Gundogan was indeed excellent in those games and we are blessed to have Fernandinho who has been an outstanding buy.

 

[oldius]

Depends on the mix in midfield and or who jorghino will start with. There are games where City benefit from the work and security Fernandhino gives us. However, City played numerous games last season where there was no real dm in the side, and they dealt with teams at ease. So although I query jorghinos defensive game. I think it's a case of wait and see. Don't believe pep would not have factored in how the team will function with the addition of new players this season.

Spot on.

 

[TonyM]

Maybe this is obvious but the DM role is different in a team that plays like Pep's do. Jorginho will be amongst defenders who are advanced and mobile and willing to participate more than some others in the past. And often there's a full back drifting central too. So it's a different defensive-midfield dynamic. How different to how he's played before (or Fernandinho has played this season) I have no idea.

I suspect that Pep will have Jorginho play in a role that surprises us and I can't wait to see it.

 

[Dr Jacoby]

Isn’t Jorginho a similar type of player to Pep?

 

[StretfordBlueReece]

How many did dinho score? And he’s definitely not quicker that fern btw. Pace is a major factor for me for a holding player especially in a team like ours. Hes slower than Gundogen! He’s a good player not disputing that. My only concerns are his pace and he defo isn’t a replacement for dinho that’s for sure

 

[StretfordBlueReece]

Sometimes I'm baffled by the opinions I hear. So your worries are that he hasn't got pace, and he is not a holding Midfielder: But when asked who you'd want,.. You picked Thiago. A guy who doesn't have pace and isn't a holding midfielder.

I mean you can't make this stuff up :) This doesn't even begin to broach the false claims that Jorghino isn't a DM. He is.

Especially in light of what we want him to do. He is a deep lying playmaker. The very definition of what we want (and by 'we' I mean Pep) at the DM position.

Yet this too ignores the fact that Dihno himself wasn't even a DM when he moved to City, nor is Fred ( our earlier target). I bring this up to underscore the fact that being an actual DM previously isn't even particularly germane in the analysis of who we should get. But I digress...

If he’s a deep lying playmaker he hasn’t come to replace fern imo

 

[CityStu]

How many did dinho score? And he’s definitely not quicker that fern btw. Pace is a major factor for me for a holding player especially in a team like ours. Hes slower than Gundogen! He’s a good player not disputing that. My only concerns are his pace and he defo isn’t a replacement for dinho that’s for sure

Why's pace so important for you? You break down a packed defence with guile, not running past them. Most importantly, it doesn't seem like a problem for Pep :-)

He's a different type of player to Dinho, but that doesn't mean he can't replace him in some games. There's been plenty of games where the opponent having 10 men behind the ball means that Dinho's athleticism is wasted and we can have a more creative player in that position.

 

[BlueCityfan]

I'm excited about this. And i trust Pep knows what he is doing. At the same time, our midfield will consist of:

De Bruyne
Bernardo
David Silva
Foden
Gundogan
Fernandinho
Jorginho

That's a lot of options for 3 midfield positions. And very good ones i might add. But are we going match physically with a Liverpool midfield that consists of Keita AND Fabinho?

I guess we'll find out soon enough.

 

[93.01]

Jorghino appears to be similar to Pirlo or Veratti in his application of the deep lying player role, both were and or are cracking p;layers, who were not blessed with significant pace. Busquet at Barcelona is not exactly a speedster, but again is a cracking player in relation to how he enables the system to function.

Its still a wait and see for me but Im coming round to the idea that what he will bring to the team far outweighs any concerns about his pace.

Given that the majority of teams will be possibly even more defensive this season, he is exactly the player will need to help unlock deep lying defences, beat a high line press or instigate swift counter attacks.

He seems very similar to Ya ya in terms of his pass selection, short long and the dink over the top to whoever has broken the line of defence. I think and I am hoping we will be surprised by this signing, I think when you consider how his role will synch with the rest of players within the system we play, it is this that leads me to believe that he is perfect for City.

But of course only time will tell.

 

[richards30]

The best players though don’t always need blistering pace as they read the game so well that they are in the right place at the right time

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

Why's pace so important for you? You break down a packed defence with guile, not running past them. Most importantly, it doesn't seem like a problem for Pep :-)

He's a different type of player to Dinho, but that doesn't mean he can't replace him in some games. There's been plenty of games where the opponent having 10 men behind the ball means that Dinho's athleticism is wasted and we can have a more creative player in that position.

I guess it comes down to how Pep plays him and the role he given...I think Jorginho is perfect for a Pep system but also have concern over pace...Your right, in the overall play this not an issue as we defend as a team but some of our issues at the back are individual errors and I think pace helps cover up some of those issues, especially when in one on one situations.....I think Jorginho's strengths far outweigh his weakness but I would have seen a guy like Fred as a more direct cover/replacement for Fern so maybe Pep has other plans...Getting Jorginho and Mahrez will be great summer business and only make us better.

 

[StretfordBlueReece]

Why's pace so important for you? You break down a packed defence with guile, not running past them. Most importantly, it doesn't seem like a problem for Pep :-)

He's a different type of player to Dinho, but that doesn't mean he can't replace him in some games. There's been plenty of games where the opponent having 10 men behind the ball means that Dinho's athleticism is wasted and we can have a more creative player in that position.

It’s not going to be as easy as your making out this year coming, Teams like Chelsea Liverpool and united I’ll throw arsenal in there too have got to improve and will do for sure because last year they were shocking.. teams were already beaten before we stepped out on the pitch last year and that’s something I’ve never witnessed as a city fan before. This season will be so much more difficult like we have witnessed in previous seasons all teams will want to beat us imo so in that case we need pace in the middle of the park for extra cover when dihno is rested that’s important for me gives us something extra and also provides extra protection something we don’t really have in our central midfielders

 

[The Riot Club]

It’s not going to be as easy as your making out this year coming, Teams like Chelsea Liverpool and united I’ll throw arsenal in there too have got to improve and will do for sure because last year they were shocking.. teams were already beaten before we stepped out on the pitch last year and that’s something I’ve never witnessed as a city fan before. This season will be so much more difficult like we have witnessed in previous seasons all teams will want to beat us imo so in that case we need pace in the middle of the park for extra cover when dihno is rested that’s important for me gives us something extra and also provides extra protection something we don’t really have in our central midfielders

Maybe the next few seasons for us will be like when utd had teams beaten before they even played back in the 90s? I think if we make a good start to the season, 4 or 5 wins in a row, we'll keep our aura for the rest of the season. It's important we start strongly.

 

[Ban-jani]

Danilo is nothing but average

Not in Pep and all of City’s coaching staff’s opinion, you know the very people that got their team to 100 points.

You’re suffering from the same views that grumpy old men near me at City suffer, unless they come in and are a world beater they’re not good enough.

Can you explain what about his game in particular is average?

 

[blue by birth]

Danilo is nothing but average

Danilo is a very good player...top quality for a back up in my opinion.
He would get in as a starter at nearly all the Premier league teams.

 

[StretfordBlueReece]

Maybe the next few seasons for us will be like when utd had teams beaten before they even played back in the 90s? I think if we make a good start to the season, 4 or 5 wins in a row, we'll keep our aura for the rest of the season. It's important we start strongly.

Possibly well I hope your right, but from past experiences it’s always been more difficult to retain the title. It’s Something we have never done before, everyone will want to beat us for that reason alone, It hasn’t been done in ten years and only 2 teams have ever done it in the premier league, we’re good enough to do it and I’m sure we will but It certainly won’t be as easy as last year I promise u, I’ll be surprised if we reach the 90 point mark this year. Last year was special and will never be done/witnessed again. Still think we will win the league but will be much more difficult. We need to improve Mahrez will be great And Mendy will be like a new signing too so I’m confident.

 

[CityStu]

It’s not going to be as easy as your making out this year coming, Teams like Chelsea Liverpool and united I’ll throw arsenal in there too have got to improve and will do for sure because last year they were shocking.. teams were already beaten before we stepped out on the pitch last year and that’s something I’ve never witnessed as a city fan before. This season will be so much more difficult like we have witnessed in previous seasons all teams will want to beat us imo so in that case we need pace in the middle of the park for extra cover when dihno is rested that’s important for me gives us something extra and also provides extra protection something we don’t really have in our central midfielders

And against those top teams we can play Fernandinho and Jorginho, play KDB a bit deeper, switch to three at the back, etc. We'll still come up against a ton of parked buses where Jorginho's skills may be more useful than Fernandinho's.

 

[StretfordBlueReece]

Not in Pep and all of City’s coaching staff’s opinion, you know the very people that got their team to 100 points.

You’re suffering from the same views that grumpy old men near me at City suffer, unless they come in and are a world beater they’re not good enough.

Can you explain what about his game in particular is average?

He can’t defend pal simple as that! I’ve seen him exposed by pretty much every player every time he’s been attacked when he’s played your going off FIFA or football manager a young kids view/opinion on him. It’s only my opinion. I’ve watched him every game he’s played this year and he’s simply not good enough for where we wanna be IMO.. if he was that good do u really think Madrid would have let him go so easily?? He’s not bad for back up I get that and I’m happy for him to sit on the bench week in week out but certainly not good enough to even challenge for Kyle walkers position in the big games next season and we all know it.

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

£44m. 5 year deal.