Media Thread 2017/18

[Proy]

My apologies for jumping to such a conclusion. I think I was tricked by you responding to a message about the media from a poster and the fact you was writing in the media thread.

Then you really should read the actual post next time and stop making assumptions, you'll only make an ass of yourself.

I could set up another thread about the FA, about UEFA, about the referees association blah blah blah.

Stop being so anal.

 

[2sheikhs]

Giroud was criticised the other night. Jesus was praised today and criticised. Ota was rightfully hammered, and he deserved no less. Sterling is targeted uniquely but that’s a weird one. Neymar was hammered today. If rashford replaces sterling and fluffs his lines, he will be slated. No treatment we get is unique. Ask around, we are the darling and so are our players - unless you support us and think otherwise and also as an aside think other clubs get favourable treatment.

Ha! Rashford will not get any criticism. His missed opportunities will be hailed with, “ it’s good that he’s getting in those positions “
Lingard didn’t get crucified for 3 misses did he?
I can accept justified criticism. Ota did deserve it.
Our players getting slated when they’ve played well, I’m always going to struggle with.

 

[franksinatra]

Then you really should read the actual post next time and stop making assumptions, you'll only make an ass of yourself.

I could set up another thread about the FA, about UEFA, about the referees association blah blah blah.

Stop being so anal.

No pal you gave a smart alec response and I pointed out that it was not actually that clever after all.

Anyway I am anal, the other posters displays a lack of knowledge, is a wise guy. Maybe you should look at your posting style. Anyway lets leave it there as there as there is little point in distracting from the discussion or even sharing debate.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Giroud was criticised the other night. Jesus was praised today and criticised. Ota was rightfully hammered, and he deserved no less. Sterling is targeted uniquely but that’s a weird one. Neymar was hammered today. If rashford replaces sterling and fluffs his lines, he will be slated. No treatment we get is unique. Ask around, we are the darling and so are our players - unless you support us and think otherwise and also as an aside think other clubs get favourable treatment.

What bollocks.

There was a national newspaper here the other day, running a story on how Firminho should replace Jesus.

They play for fucking BRAZIL.

There is only one reason for that story.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

It is a sad part of life sadly and extends far beyond sport to people in all walks of life, why people think it is unique to City is beyond me.

No doubt though Raheem has been treated badly, just as Beckham, Bobby Robson, Graham Taylor and others did previously. Sadly its more pronounced now because of the changing face of society and the obsession in this country with celebrities/sportsmen, influence of social media and the change from a daily paper to rolling 24 hour news, talk in shows etc.

There is some old adage about getting the media you deserve somewhere.

Good point. The press has a commercial bias and produces content which trys to appeal to the masses. You could say the tabloids pander to the lowest common denominator. The reality is there are a hell of a lot of Liverpool and United fans out there and that's why they get the biggest (not always positive) coverage. There is no doubt a lot of the public are enjoying the kicking of Raheem. The media reflects our society.
On a more positive note there is also no doubt that the influence of the tabloids is on the wane (The Sun for example has lost a huge amount of its circulation and has not made a profit for three years) There are plenty of alternative voices out there and a lot of them have kicked back against the bullying of Sterling.

 

[franksinatra]

You’re confusing inescapable facts which nobody can deny with a dripfeed of shitty remarks which are baseless and a matter of opinion.

Who could say moyes and van gaal were a success? It’s quite clear they weren’t.
Who could say mourinho plays attractive football? His side clearly doesn’t.
To say otherwise is stupidly.
Singling out players and laying blame isn’t fact based, it’s opinion.

Its an impossible point to respond to unless you can highlight examples. Most discussions on football are opinion based and arguably even the media commenting on Sterlings performance is an example of that or whether Lingard should be vilified for missing chances or whether he does well to get in positions.

One thing I do notice is when there are advers comments by a media source its always claimed to be representative of the whole media. It rarely is and that is even the case in the Sterling/rashford debate.

 

[Pigeonho]

It’ll go on forever, this. I’m not as arsed as I was the last time was posting as it’s obvious we have a section of fans of a Liverpool ilk, who are offended by everything.
I’ve heard enough from rival supporters to smile when they claim bias for us and against them, as it just confirms we are now treated like their club, the top clubs. I’d rather that than be signing Gerry Creaney and our club is loved by everyone out of sympathy. We are the elite, if not THEE elite. It comes at a cost. A cost worth paying and that is the last I’ll post on this thread. This season has shown how we are favoured, accepted and now taken over all the the other elite clubs. If you listen closely you’ll hear it too.
Enjoy.

 

[franksinatra]

Good point. The press has a commercial bias and produces content which trys to appeal to the masses. You could say the tabloids pander to the lowest common denominator. The reality is there are a hell of a lot of Liverpool and United fans out there and that's why they get the biggest (not always positive) coverage. There is no doubt a lot of the public are enjoying the kicking of Raheem. The media reflects our society.
On a more positive note there is also no doubt that the influence of the tabloids is on the wane (The Sun for example has lost a huge amount of its circulation and has not made a profit for three years) There are plenty of alternative voices out there and a lot of them have kicked back against the bullying of Sterling.

They have indeed and to a certain extent a lot of the tabloids ridiculed the Sun/Mail Piers Morgan about the whole tattoo business. Also in fairness did the wider general public. This rarely gets a mention on here of course.

I have no issue with United or Pool getting more coverage as organisations make business decisions to ensure there longevity but similar to you I think at times, and I highlighted earlier the treatment of united managers, it can be a two-edged sword. Similarly we get a lot more coverage than many other clubs.

 

[2sheikhs]

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Its an impossible point to respond to unless you can highlight examples. Most discussions on football are opinion based and arguably even the media commenting on Sterlings performance is an example of that or whether Lingard should be vilified for missing chances or whether he does well to get in positions.

One thing I do notice is when there are advers comments by a media source its always claimed to be representative of the whole media. It rarely is and that is even the case in the Sterling/rashford debate.

I’ve already stated that it’s not the whole media. Certain journalists and pundits who don’t support City seem to be able to look at the bigger picture and report fairly.
Others seem to forget that they’re supposed to be impartial but let their allegiance to their club cloud their judgement. They’re supposed to be professionals, not fans.

 

[franksinatra]

The reason LVG ,Moyes and Mourinho are criticised by the media...Is because of bitter disappointment that their little darlings are not winning the PL
and what makes it worst for them is City are winning the PL in style

Lets say that is true, it still means United are not getting the gushing praise and biased reporting many on here claim. For whatever the resasons its different to what many claim.

 

[Len Rum]

Giroud was criticised the other night. Jesus was praised today and criticised. Ota was rightfully hammered, and he deserved no less. Sterling is targeted uniquely but that’s a weird one. Neymar was hammered today. If rashford replaces sterling and fluffs his lines, he will be slated. No treatment we get is unique. Ask around, we are the darling and so are our players - unless you support us and think otherwise and also as an aside think other clubs get favourable treatment.

"Jesus was praised today and criticised" - more the latter than the former.
"Sterling is targeted uniquely but that's a weird one" - it's not 'unique' or 'weird' - he left the dippers and joined City that's the main reason and there other reasons (which we all know about but I don't really want to go into, you know what I mean).So it is 'unique' treatment.
"We are the darling and so are our players" - fcuks sake we are hated by most of the media, we are certainly not 'the darling'.Ludicrous statement.
You stank the forum out some years ago with this kind of bull and had to leave, so please don't start it again.

 

[roj]

No pal you gave a smart alec response and I pointed out that it was not actually that clever after all.

Anyway I am anal, the other posters displays a lack of knowledge, is a wise guy. Maybe you should look at your posting style. Anyway lets leave it there as there as there is little point in distracting from the discussion or even sharing debate.

 

[Len Rum]

Lets say that is true, it still means United are not getting the gushing praise and biased reporting many on here claim. For whatever the resasons its different to what many claim.

Cut it out pige.

 

[franksinatra]

I’ve already stated that it’s not the whole media. Certain journalists and pundits who don’t support City seem to be able to look at the bigger picture and report fairly.
Others seem to forget that they’re supposed to be impartial but let their allegiance to their club cloud their judgement. They’re supposed to be professionals, not fans.

I think thats life mate. There is impartialy and bias but its not unique to us and is just representative of peoples affiliations. Its no different to Carragher or Gerard commenting on United, Ferdinand or Scholes commenting on City or Pool or even our very own Mike Wedderburn commenting on United. Even in a roundabout way you are displaying a bias as you are only acknowledging when a bias impacts on City and not other strains of impartiality.

 

[franksinatra]

Cut it out pige.

Ha. Another blue moon conspiracy squashed with us posting at the sane time

 

[Len Rum]

Ha. Another blue moon conspiracy squashed with us posting at the sane time

What's Leroy got to do with it?

 

[franksinatra]

What's Leroy got to do with it?

Maybe he is posting as he has no world cup duties?

 

[2sheikhs]

I think thats life mate. There is impartialy and bias but its not unique to us and is just representative of peoples affiliations. Its no different to Carragher or Gerard commenting on United, Ferdinand or Scholes commenting on City or Pool or even our very own Mike Wedderburn commenting on United. Even in some ways you are displaying an impartiality as you are only concerned when it impacts on City and not other strains of impartiality.

Do you think that they’ll ever be a time when the rags play a European game and the pundits would be gerrard, mcmanaman and carragher? Or for a dippers game, scholes, camel and keane?
There’s too many occurrences Frank for anyone to seriously suggest that it’s the same for everyone. Others may feel targeted but when you can offer proof, it’s a bit more compelling.

 

[franksinatra]

Do you think that they’ll ever be a time when the rags play a European game and the pundits would be gerrard, mcmanaman and carragher? Or for a dippers game, scholes, camel and keane?
There’s too many occurrences Frank for anyone to seriously suggest that it’s the same for everyone. Others may feel targeted but when you can offer proof, it’s a bit more compelling.

Nothing is the same for everyone and none of us have access to all the info or time to determine if everything is the same. Life does not fit perfectly like that.

But the point Pidge is making earlier is fans of other clubs think they have proof of bias. Its just a consequence of viewing something through their own prism and displaying a bias they then criticise others for.

 

[Blue Pete]

Just because we are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get us.

Not all media hate us, not every article about other teams or players is positive. Sometimes the media will say nice things about some of our players or club. All of these are true.

However like many blues, I feel that the is an anti city bias amongst the media in general. In a significant number of debates , discussions, or analysis it seems that we are always belittled, our attachievments under played, our players at fault or not as good. We set half a dozen all time top flight records including points and goals, and yet aren't great like the invincibles because we haven't done it over a number of years. The media have to admit we were the better team last year because the facts say so, but you feel that on any issue where it is opinion we are going to get the shitty end of the stick.

Drop Stones and Walker. Let's pretend that Rashford, Lingard and Young are world beaters. Sterling is gun totting, lazy, bling, and not as good as Jordan f**king Ibe. Then wonder why England fail.

And to the WUMS on here, you know who you are. Have fun, we got 100 points and Sterling won the league.