Jorginho

[kaz7]

Personally think it’s a huge mistake to not get a DM this summer

Dinho is fine for another season,we managed without him for 5 games or so,if there is one thing we can do now is adapt,not ideal maybe but not a diaster

 

[taconinja]

I know your right it's my preference too. But now and then in addition to what you have suggested I prefer more robust qualities against certain teams. Ie/ Burnley away.

That's fair. Needs must as they say.

 

[cookster]

Please tell me your not trying to compare kantes core strength to fodens. Please. One is a man the other is a boy. There are numerous reasons why no club in Europe would play a boy that age in that position. Physical development being one of them.

I was comparing their physic as you seem to be ruling him out on that basis.

Claude Makélélé wasn't bad either, smaller and lighter as well.

Not suggesting Pep will play Foden there but if he did, physic won't be an issue.

 

[taconinja]

We can't spend 50 million on a player for a couple of games a season,we have shown we don't need bruisers in the team to get to 100pts,the way we play we don't need someone like that

I have a suspicion this Jorginho development is going to lead to Pep and Gundogan having a sit-down and long discussion over whether Gundogan has the discipline to do what Pep wants and needs out of his defensive midfielders.

 

[TheThirdDeano]

Has anyone actually seen a picture of joggingho since Milan?

 

[aguero93:20]

Has anyone actually seen a picture of joggingho since Milan?

No, he's been too busy going between departures and arrivals in Napoli, Milan and Gatwick airports while simultaneously doing Chelsea medicals (plural).

 

[pbueno16]

I have a suspicion this Jorginho development is going to lead to Pep and Gundogan having a sit-down and long discussion over whether Gundogan has the discipline to do what Pep wants and needs out of his defensive midfielders.

I think that can work out well for everyone. Gundogan doesn't have to worry about when he's going to play and has a more concrete idea of what his role will be. If he gets pulled back to play DM, then Foden and Diaz can get more playing time. If something happens to Silva or de Bruyne, Gundogan can move forward and Delph can take the DM role.

 

[kaz7]

I have a suspicion this Jorginho development is going to lead to Pep and Gundogan having a sit-down and long discussion over whether Gundogan has the discipline to do what Pep wants and needs out of his defensive midfielders.

I think last season he was scared of getting another injury,i have faith he can get over that and get stuck in when needs be

 

[93.01]

We can't spend 50 million on a player for a couple of games a season,we have shown we don't need bruisers in the team to get to 100pts,the way we play we don't need someone like that

Who mentioned bruisers? Please try to ask me what I mean before making assumption s. I would be happy with a fern clone, someone who strikes a balance between what you have advocated but is also adept at cutting off counters and quick transitions.

 

[93.01]

I was comparing their physic as you seem to be ruling him out on that basis.

Claude Makélélé wasn't bad either, smaller and lighter as well.

Not suggesting Pep will play Foden there but if he did, physic won't be an issue.

Ok. I know we're your from.

 

[balotelli's back pocket]

Why LB cover, we have Delph & Mendy

So Delph can cover fernandinho along with the injury prone gundogan?

Unless you're happy to leave that valuable squad space unfilled, and let a versatile player leave.

If Zinchenko stays, he gives us an extra option in midfield, assuming Gundogan moves deeper. He also gives extra cover at left back, in the event of Delph or mendyly getting injured or Delph needing to cover dinho.

I would only sell if he couldn't get into the squad, but now he clearly can.

 

[kaz7]

Who mentioned bruisers? Please try to ask me what I mean before making assumption s. I would be happy with a fern clone, someone who strikes a balance between what you have advocated but is also adept at cutting off counters and quick transitions.

We still don't need a clone of dinho,he has plenty left to give,pep will sort it out with the squad we have for next season if he is out

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Success is often simply being one step ahead of the train. I think Pep is trying to make sure he STAYS one step ahead of the train, as others are attempting to rejigger their entire squads to better meet the challenge that is City today.

I think it would be a mistake to ignore bolstering the back 5/6, as we looked a little leggy, and even at sixes and sevens, at times last season. In Vinny we have a Goliath in a competition full of slings. In Ota, we have a player who can be world class...if he remembers he can be world class and doesn’t need to run over all in his path. We also appear to have what might be called “fragile” full backs, which has meant we had a very unsettled back line for the majority of last season.

Stones and Laporte will be the basis of our back line in the future, with Walker and Mendy as the “flying full backs,” which means we will need some serious brains and legs patrolling in front of a potentially exposed pair of centre halves. Does that mean we steal a player from the front six, and play a back three/five? Or, do we improve the cover in front of the two centre halves, so that we allow the front corps to do their work?

Also, let’s not forget that we do have a few aging players in the squad, even today, and replacing those players...or at least providing world class cover until they are no longer up to snuff...has to be a priority. Therefore, the spine of the team needs the highest quality replacement process over the next few seasons (Bravo, Kompany, Otamendi, Fernandinho, Silva, Aguero).

Pep clearly saw Jorginho as his preferred choice to relieve some of the pressure off Fernandinho. That doesn’t ignore the fact that he was the first among many, but Pep and Txiki CANNOT be happy if Napoli and Chelsea conspire to gazump us in this month’s long saga.

I think we need the best possible combination of strength and grace in the middle of the park. Who that might be, I don’t know, but I trust in the management of this team and club to know what they think is best...and they’ve been pretty good at it to this date.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I have a suspicion this Jorginho development is going to lead to Pep and Gundogan having a sit-down and long discussion over whether Gundogan has the discipline to do what Pep wants and needs out of his defensive midfielders.

Discipline you mean ability?

 

[NinoK]

So Delph can cover fernandinho along with the injury prone gundogan?

Unless you're happy to leave that valuable squad space unfilled, and let a versatile player leave.

If Zinchenko stays, he gives us an extra option in midfield, assuming Gundogan moves deeper. He also gives extra cover at left back, in the event of Delph or mendyly getting injured or Delph needing to cover dinho.

I would only sell if he couldn't get into the squad, but now he clearly can.

Definitely keep Zinchenko, he's quality. Can play anywhere, great attitude, low wages, loved by the fans. Would be silly to sell him, unless it's for very good money (upwards of 20mil).

 

[kaz7]

Definitely keep Zinchenko, he's quality. Can play anywhere, great attitude, low wages, loved by the fans. Would be silly to sell him, unless it's for very good money (upwards of 20mil).

He can't play anywhere,he is a AM who just about covered LB,we can't keep him and not play him in his correct position,it's not fair to the lad really

 

[The Preacher]

We still don't need a clone of dinho,he has plenty left to give,pep will sort it out with the squad we have for next season if he is out

+1. Too much lack of faith from some posters on here. Given that City have not budged from their original offer, even in the face of developments over the last few days, it would seem Jorginho was a ‘would like’ and not a ‘must have’.

 

[cjn]

Given the new reports this morning that we're not looking at other DM options this summer, I can't help but think we're making a huge mistake here. I guess it's fair enough if there are no other suitable options, but we're in effect betting our entire season on Fernadinho's continued health and fitness in his age 33 season. I personally don't think Gundogan is sufficient cover, and suspect Pep agrees given we were willing to spend 50m on the position two days ago.

 

[93.01]

I think last season he was scared of getting another injury,i have faith he can get over that and get stuck in when needs be

Yeh, watched him closely, he did seem tentative in the tackle. That's the key I

We still don't need a clone of dinho,he has plenty left to give,pep will sort it out with the squad we have for next season if he is out

I know what your saying but what it doesn't acknowledge is that we smashed the league with fern playing the majority of those prem matches. We can't understate the impact his selfless role had on that accumulation of those points. He's my favourite player, but like the rest of are key players, he is going to need to be rotated. It's if and when he is rotated or god forbid injured I'm suggesting a player similiar to fern would be ideal, because I think we would miss his selfless work which laid the platform for us being able to accrue that's point total. Pep said himself that if he could he would have 10 ferns. That sort of praise I think reflects the value pep has on his contribution to team tactics,function and his own footballing philosophy.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

+1. Too much lack of faith from some posters on here. Given that City have not budged from their original offer, even in the face of developments over the last few days, it would seem Jorginho was a ‘would like’ and not a ‘must have’.

Well, in most cultures in the world AGREEING on a deal actually means the deal is done and paperwork needs signing. Clearly, in the minds of this alleged Mafia organization, it doesn’t mean what the movies say!!!

Mansour and Khaldoon do not allow themselves to be fucked, because they have “fuck you” money. It is meant to fuck YOU, not themselves because you believe they will give it to you!

Napoli have shown themselves to be beneath contempt in this entire saga. Whether that means anything to anyone anymore remains to be seen. I believe it is meaningful to our owners, who pride themselves on both their professionalism in business and being beyond reproach in the manner in which they conduct that business.

It is funny to me to watch City getting pilloried in the press for their business activity, especially when it comes from the small minds of the uncouth, who seem incapable of appreciating the quality of our owners.