The BBC | Tim Davie resigns as Director General over Trump documentary edit (p 187)

I found this extract of an article in ‘The Politician’. I pretty much agree with it.

‘The EU referendum debate was a unique opportunity to break away from the adversarial politician-versus-politician model of general elections and hold a truly educational, society-wide debate.

The BBC and wider media did no such thing. A study by Loughborough University found “a very narrow debate” in the EU referendum. The press coverage was 91% men and 44% Conservative politicians (ten per cent Labour) . White Tory men dominate EU referendum coverage in the press and on TV. Audiences were frustrated by the politicians’ soundbites of claim and counterclaim, with the BBC giving “equal airtime to unequal arguments”. By the end of the soap-opera, Brits were still ill-informed on just about every issue relating to the EU.

Remainers' exasperation with the BBC recently comes down to several factors. The corporation appears to toe government hard-Brexit lines unquestioningly, there is a clear pro-Brexit stance from a few leading BBC personalities and a blind-spot for large anti-Brexit events. But there's something else too. The BBC has allowed itself to become the pulpit of arrant superficiality in debate.

This seems to be misunderstood by defensive BBC personalities, who attribute the Remainers' pique to hearing 'people you disagree with saying things you don't like'. Robinson's article was headlined: "Remainers attacking the BBC should be wary of ending up with a British Fox News." The sub-header read: "The United States is now a democracy in which there are no shared facts and are only disputed opinions." Yet, this is exactly where the BBC has failed. It has stopped being a resource and communicator of shared facts, and instead become an arbitrator of disputed opinions.

There are, even now, plenty of 'shared facts' to be found if you care to look. There are countless cross-party reports coming from the committees of the Lords and Commons. I recall a Lords inquiry into UK-EU science published in April 2016, during the referendum debate, after six months of oral testimony and over 70 submissions. The submissions and testimonies alone were fascinating and educational. Delving into the consensus-built conclusions in a compelling and easy-to-digest way would improve public understanding of the world around us, including our rich civil society contributions. The BBC coverage amounted to one online article.

Compare that to the time spent on some of Boris Johnson's off-hand pronouncements at the time, which were assiduously discussed, for hour after countless hour, on BBC TV and radio. This is the difference between public education and gossip journalism.

Even now, there is a robust stream of quality reports coming from the Lords, Commons and further afield - drawn from cross-party inquiries and wider civil society input. Yet the BBC seems to provide no quality educational interface to such repositories of agreed 'shared facts'. It also appears to shun the 'shared facts' of major peer-reviewed output from top journals like the Lancet on matters of Brexit and the NHS. And yet it happily promotes the not-so-shared facts of non-peer-reviewed claims by Prof Patrick Minford. Wild claims trump measured consensus.

It has not appeared even to expand its research team to meet the explosion of demand. BBC analysis online is depressingly lightweight compared to output you will find from The Economist, the Financial Times, UK in a Changing Europe and the Institute for Government. A paradigm shift is needed. The BBC is a public educator which brought us BBC microcomputers and the iPlayer. Surely it can innovate to develop a creative online interface to handle the evidence-base deluge around Brexit. The public need it – and so do its own journalists.

Of course, there will always be some of the usual tit-for-tat political gossip of which the BBC is so fond. This is not an argument for ignoring it altogether. It is simply a demand that we ground a greater proportion of content in the sort of 'shared facts' journalism which Robinson claimed to be so keen on.

The BBC badly needs a push in robust, innovative public education. Otherwise, how does BBC news retain privileges over Channel 4, Sky or ITV? If it cannot distinguish itself as the primary public educator, what is BBC News good for?’



I really can’t see things improve. The Tory party has pretty powerful advocates at very senior levels at the Beeb. Lord Adonis the labour peer (yes I know) has very publically criticised the BBC coverage of Brexit for being far too pro Brexit. What was telling for me in the response to his criticism was the Director General Lord Hall making clear that his journalistic guidelines were to cover the mechanics of Brexit only and the different options for leaving as leaving was a fait a complit. It is particularly depressing with a left wing dominated media and a BBC that has abdicated any responsibility for holding lying politicians to account and truly conducting their role to educate.
 
They were a Labour tool when they were last in power. They just have an inherent bias to the establishment/current government in my opinion.

Most of the comedians and other personalities that touch on political issues are definitely more left leaning but that's probably more to do with the type of people that are comedians than a specific and intentional editorial position being adopted by the corporation as a whole.

It is exactly the type of people more likely to take up comedy.

Comedians often tend to be social democrats.
 
Still no-one has given any examples of BBC left leaning bias.
It’s difficult to summarise ten years of news programmes, podcasts and panel shows in a single post.

If you don’t believe it’s left of centre then that’s fine with me, I doubt it will alter my day too much.
 
Strange how the BBC and the Media managed to turn Johnsons comments into the 'Burka Issue' and totally avoided the word Islamophobia..... but turn the Labour party opposition to the Israeli Government and their policies into 'anti-semitism'


Astonishing
 
Strange how the BBC and the Media managed to turn Johnsons comments into the 'Burka Issue' and totally avoided the word Islamophobia..... but turn the Labour party opposition to the Israeli Government and their policies into 'anti-semitism'


Astonishing
Funny that isn’t it. I’m not a great fan of Jeremy but funny how a years old issue dominates the BBC news desk far more than the looming Brexit crisis. For someone that wants a good read, just google Parliamentary Fake News and it will lead you to the minutes of the cross parliamentary committee that is investigating Fake news. The one that is outing the Amazon, Cambridge Analytica stuff. Two things strike me when reading it 1) just how precise and dogged the questioning from the group of mps is. 2) just how little it is being played out in the BBC. It is being left to a young journalist called Carol cattwallader at the Guardian/Observer to flush out a great deal of this stuff helped by channel 4 news. Now I know the Guardian is not widely liked on this forum but read her stuff before jumping to conclusions.
 
Funny that isn’t it. I’m not a great fan of Jeremy but funny how a years old issue dominates the BBC news desk far more than the looming Brexit crisis. For someone that wants a good read, just google Parliamentary Fake News and it will lead you to the minutes of the cross parliamentary committee that is investigating Fake news. The one that is outing the Amazon, Cambridge Analytica stuff. Two things strike me when reading it 1) just how precise and dogged the questioning from the group of mps is. 2) just how little it is being played out in the BBC. It is being left to a young journalist called Carol cattwallader at the Guardian/Observer to flush out a great deal of this stuff helped by channel 4 news. Now I know the Guardian is not widely liked on this forum but read her stuff before jumping to conclusions.
The paper has a bed reputation for amateurish reporting and bad grammar. The moment they get a scoop which is a serious issue of national interest people ignore her and the paper.
 
The paper has a bed reputation for amateurish reporting and bad grammar. The moment they get a scoop which is a serious issue of national interest people ignore her and the paper.

You could edit for them.
 
Even when the BBC does demonstrate apparent left wing bias, i.e. being pro-immigration, they're actually just acting as the 'useful idiots' (intentionally or otherwise) for the corporates, the globalists and property owning/rentier establishment who benefit most from the effects of said immigration.
 
Even when the BBC does demonstrate apparent left wing bias, i.e. being pro-immigration, they're actually just acting as the 'useful idiots' (intentionally or otherwise) for the corporates, the globalists and property owning/rentier establishment who benefit most from the effects of said immigration.
Surely some of the immigrants are the biggest beneficiaries, in relative terms.
 
No it’s still left of centre.

Hard to believe really - the entertainment and media industries are historically famous for being populated overwhelmingly by Conservatives.

Just go to the BAFTAs mate. It's like a Hitler Youth rally over there.
 
Drivel.
Channel 4 and the BBC are as far left as I am right.
I can remember them being accused of subversion in the Blair years.
Look close.
Election coverage is supposed to be impartial.
Under Blair the BBC was using red everywhere. Apparently to sway voters to Labour.
They continue to do.
Lots of psychologists have denounced this as well as body language experts as subversion.
Labour. . . Underhanded ****s.
 
Drivel.
Channel 4 and the BBC are as far left as I am right.
I can remember them being accused of subversion in the Blair years.
Look close.
Election coverage is supposed to be impartial.
Under Blair the BBC was using red everywhere. Apparently to sway voters to Labour.
They continue to do.
Lots of psychologists have denounced this as well as body language experts as subversion.
Labour. . . Underhanded ****s.

I can’t tell if you’re being serious, or you’re just a parody right-wing bot?
 
I can’t tell if you’re being serious, or you’re just a parody right-wing bot?
Errrrm.
Both.
I am a right wing voter.
Unfortunately the town I live in is strictly left .
I have friends that I call Stalin Steve and Marxist Mick.
I deliberately wind one up every time I see them.
I couldn't give a rat's knackers about their views because I know that they are doomed to failure.
Every time I ask about 1 good thing that Labour has brought to this country, I get the same 3 letter reply . NHS
Total bollocks.
Without right wing investment the failed care system would have collapsed in the late 60s.
 
Errrrm.
Both.
I am a right wing voter.
Unfortunately the town I live in is strictly left .
I have friends that I call Stalin Steve and Marxist Mick.
I deliberately wind one up every time I see them.
I couldn't give a rat's knackers about their views because I know that they are doomed to failure.
Every time I ask about 1 good thing that Labour has brought to this country, I get the same 3 letter reply . NHS
Total bollocks.
Without right wing investment the failed care system would have collapsed in the late 60s.

Fair enough mate, always find it a bit odd when people rarely post about City on a Manchester City forum, and focus instead largely on right-wing politics, but each to their own.
 
Fair enough mate, always find it a bit odd when people rarely post about City on a Manchester City forum, and focus instead largely on right-wing politics, but each to their own.

Surely the same goes for people who focus on left wing politics though. Applies to both.
 

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