The Conservative Party

Henkeman said:
Not quite. She said it was important to understand why people were calling them that. And she was right to do so - self-reflection is never a bad thing.
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A very ill thought out statement but hey its Mayday so should I be surprised - any fool could see that from that point she had labelled her own party. An early sign of how shite her political instincts are.
 
bluethrunthru said:
A very ill thought out statement but hey its Mayday so should I be surprised - any fool could see that from that point she had labelled her own party. An early sign of how shite her political instincts are.
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Yeah, right....

Hague and Cameron couldn’t detoxify the Tories – May has no chance
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...oxify-tories-theresa-may-liam-fox-david-davis
Sajid Javid has the job of detoxifying the Tories
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sajid-javid-has-the-potential-to-detoxify-the-tories-k7mvbw07g
David Cameron wants to 'detoxify' the Tories. Shame about their slapdash policymaking, then
https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...heir-slapdash-policymaking-then-10261862.html
Dave spent years trying to 'detoxify' the Tories. Now he and George are undoing all that hard work
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...-Dave-spent-years-trying-detoxify-Tories.html
Now Cameron can detoxify the Tories for a generation
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ge...can-detoxify-the-Tories-for-a-generation.html
This week has confirmed that the nasty party has never gone away
https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...has-confirmed-nasty-party-has-never-gone-away
Why Britain’s Conservatives Cannot Shake the ‘Nasty Party’ Label
https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com...servatives-cannot-shake-the-nasty-party-label
If the Tories want to stop being the 'nasty party' they must start with immigration
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/04/26/tories-want-stop-nasty-party-must-start-immigration/
The Tories are becoming the 'nasty party' in the eyes of the electorate once again
https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...es-of-the-electorate-once-again-a7760496.html
Forget the Nasty Party. This is the Knackered Party
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/forget-the-nasty-party-this-is-the-knackered-party/
The Tory party opinion poll reinforces their position as the Nasty Party, says Brian Reade
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-party-opinion-poll-reinforces-11802976

 
The perfect fumble said:
Yeah, right....

Hague and Cameron couldn’t detoxify the Tories – May has no chance
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...oxify-tories-theresa-may-liam-fox-david-davis
Sajid Javid has the job of detoxifying the Tories
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sajid-javid-has-the-potential-to-detoxify-the-tories-k7mvbw07g
David Cameron wants to 'detoxify' the Tories. Shame about their slapdash policymaking, then
https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...heir-slapdash-policymaking-then-10261862.html
Dave spent years trying to 'detoxify' the Tories. Now he and George are undoing all that hard work
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...-Dave-spent-years-trying-detoxify-Tories.html
Now Cameron can detoxify the Tories for a generation
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ge...can-detoxify-the-Tories-for-a-generation.html
This week has confirmed that the nasty party has never gone away
https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...has-confirmed-nasty-party-has-never-gone-away
Why Britain’s Conservatives Cannot Shake the ‘Nasty Party’ Label
https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com...servatives-cannot-shake-the-nasty-party-label
If the Tories want to stop being the 'nasty party' they must start with immigration
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/04/26/tories-want-stop-nasty-party-must-start-immigration/
The Tories are becoming the 'nasty party' in the eyes of the electorate once again
https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...es-of-the-electorate-once-again-a7760496.html
Forget the Nasty Party. This is the Knackered Party
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/forget-the-nasty-party-this-is-the-knackered-party/
The Tory party opinion poll reinforces their position as the Nasty Party, says Brian Reade
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-party-opinion-poll-reinforces-11802976
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Warms my cockles to see you being so diligent in your goggling.
 
Just a bunch of over-priveleged public schoolboys with no affinity with the working man.
 
Henkeman said:
And yet funnily enough the leader of the Tory Party went to state school and the leader of the Labour Party went to public school. Strange old world.
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Henkeman said:
And yet funnily enough the leader of the Tory Party went to state school and the leader of the Labour Party went to public school. Strange old world.
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It's a testimony to the sorry state of the Conservative Party that being a venal, incompetent, uncaring class warrior, trumps breeding these days.

Blame the grocer's daughter.
 
Henkeman said:
Ok, that made me laugh.
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It should give you pause for thought, had Willie Whitelaw done as he was expected, there would have been no Thatcher and while much is made of Thatcher's politics and personality, it is often overlooked that she was Britain's first post war Prime Minister that had played no part in either the 1st or 2nd World War (Wilson volunteered for military service but was classed as a specialist and moved into the civil service).

Those politicians who had served along side the "common man" had difficulty shafting them in civilian life, Thatcher had no such qualms.

Harold Macmillan had served in the First world War....

Volunteering immediately for active service in the War, Macmillan joined the British Army and was commissioned as a temporary second lieutenant in the King's Royal Rifle Corps on 19 November 1914. Promoted to lieutenant on 30 January 1915, he soon transferred to the Grenadier Guards.He fought on the front lines in France, where the casualty rate was known to be high, as was the probability of an "early and violent death". He served with distinction as a captain and was wounded on three occasions. Shot in the right hand and receiving a glancing bullet wound to the head in the Battle of Loos in September 1915, Macmillan was sent to Lennox Gardens in Chelsea for hospital treatment, then joined a reserve battalion at Chelsea Barracks from January to March 1916, until his hand had healed. He then returned to the front lines in France. Leading an advance platoon in the Battle of Flers–Courcelette (part of the Battle of the Somme) in September 1916, he was severely wounded, and lay for ten hours in a slit trench, sometimes feigning death when Germans passed, and reading the classical playwright Aeschylus in the original Greek. The then-Prime Minister Asquith's own son, Raymond Asquith, was a brother officer in Macmillan's regiment, and was killed that month.

Macmillan spent the final two years of the war in hospital undergoing a long series of operations. He was still on crutches on Armistice Day, 11 November 1918. His hip wound took four years to heal completely, and he was left with a slight shuffle to his walk and a limp grip in his right hand from his previous wound, which affected his handwriting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Macmillan

When Harold Macmillan made his maiden speech in the Lords back in the 1980s, aged 90, he said the following...

that the country needed a new industrial revolution that would come about only with intellectual, moral and spiritual revolutions as well.

Speaking of the coal miners' strike, which has lasted for almost nine months and has produced widespread violence on the picket lines, he told the assembled peers:

''It breaks my heart to see - and I cannot interfere - what is happening in our country today. This terrible strike, by the best men in the world, who beat the Kaiser's and Hitler's armies and never gave in. It is pointless and we cannot afford that kind of thing.

''Then there is the growing division of comparative prosperity in the south and an ailing north and Midlands. We used to have battles and rows, but they were quarrels. Now there is a new kind of wicked hatred that has been brought in by different kinds of people.''

Different kinds of people? There was much laughter at this, because the packed House of Lords knew he wasn't referring to Scargill.
 
The perfect fumble said:
It should give you pause for thought, had Willie Whitelaw done as he was expected, there would have been no Thatcher and while much is made of Thatcher's politics and personality, it is often overlooked that she was Britain's first post war Prime Minister that had played no part in either the 1st or 2nd World War (Wilson volunteered for military service but was classed as a specialist and moved into the civil service).

Those politicians who had served along side the "common man" had difficulty shafting them in civilian life, Thatcher had no such qualms.

Harold Macmillan had served in the First world War....

Volunteering immediately for active service in the War, Macmillan joined the British Army and was commissioned as a temporary second lieutenant in the King's Royal Rifle Corps on 19 November 1914. Promoted to lieutenant on 30 January 1915, he soon transferred to the Grenadier Guards.He fought on the front lines in France, where the casualty rate was known to be high, as was the probability of an "early and violent death". He served with distinction as a captain and was wounded on three occasions. Shot in the right hand and receiving a glancing bullet wound to the head in the Battle of Loos in September 1915, Macmillan was sent to Lennox Gardens in Chelsea for hospital treatment, then joined a reserve battalion at Chelsea Barracks from January to March 1916, until his hand had healed. He then returned to the front lines in France. Leading an advance platoon in the Battle of Flers–Courcelette (part of the Battle of the Somme) in September 1916, he was severely wounded, and lay for ten hours in a slit trench, sometimes feigning death when Germans passed, and reading the classical playwright Aeschylus in the original Greek. The then-Prime Minister Asquith's own son, Raymond Asquith, was a brother officer in Macmillan's regiment, and was killed that month.

Macmillan spent the final two years of the war in hospital undergoing a long series of operations. He was still on crutches on Armistice Day, 11 November 1918. His hip wound took four years to heal completely, and he was left with a slight shuffle to his walk and a limp grip in his right hand from his previous wound, which affected his handwriting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Macmillan

When Harold Macmillan made his maiden speech in the Lords back in the 1980s, aged 90, he said the following...

that the country needed a new industrial revolution that would come about only with intellectual, moral and spiritual revolutions as well.

Speaking of the coal miners' strike, which has lasted for almost nine months and has produced widespread violence on the picket lines, he told the assembled peers:

''It breaks my heart to see - and I cannot interfere - what is happening in our country today. This terrible strike, by the best men in the world, who beat the Kaiser's and Hitler's armies and never gave in. It is pointless and we cannot afford that kind of thing.

''Then there is the growing division of comparative prosperity in the south and an ailing north and Midlands. We used to have battles and rows, but they were quarrels. Now there is a new kind of wicked hatred that has been brought in by different kinds of people.''

Different kinds of people? There was much laughter at this, because the packed House of Lords knew he wasn't referring to Scargill.
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Except that you can apply the same thing to the other side. Corbyn has never done a real job in his life, he's hardly about the common people. Blair went to public school and had nothing to do with the ordinary working man. I can recall Michael Howard telling him that this grammar school boy wasn't going to take lectures from that public schoolboy.

The assumption that being Tory equals toffs is drivel. The background of the two main parties is not that dissimilar. And what happens? David Davis gets decried as a rich old white man by the left, apparently oblivious of his background.

Of the four senior offices of state, three of them are held by state school educated people. Want to compare that to their equivalents in the Labour Party? Actually it's four out of four. That is, four public school educated politicians.

So no one is going to accept being lectured on behalf of the Labour Party as though they are in touch with the working man. They are silver spooned career politicians who have done fuck all else in their lives.
 
Henkeman said:
Except that you can apply the same thing to the other side. Corbyn has never done a real job in his life, he's hardly about the common people. Blair went to public school and had nothing to do with the ordinary working man. I can recall Michael Howard telling him that this grammar school boy wasn't going to take lectures from that public schoolboy.

The assumption that being Tory equals toffs is drivel. The background of the two main parties is not that dissimilar. And what happens? David Davis gets decried as a rich old white man by the left, apparently oblivious of his background.

Of the four senior offices of state, three of them are held by state school educated people. Want to compare that to their equivalents in the Labour Party? Actually it's four out of four. That is, four public school educated politicians.

So no one is going to accept being lectured on behalf of the Labour Party as though they are in touch with the working man. They are silver spooned career politicians who have done fuck all else in their lives.
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As ever, well said mate.
 
Henkeman said:
Except that you can apply the same thing to the other side. Corbyn has never done a real job in his life, he's hardly about the common people. Blair went to public school and had nothing to do with the ordinary working man. I can recall Michael Howard telling him that this grammar school boy wasn't going to take lectures from that public schoolboy.

The assumption that being Tory equals toffs is drivel. The background of the two main parties is not that dissimilar. And what happens? David Davis gets decried as a rich old white man by the left, apparently oblivious of his background.

Of the four senior offices of state, three of them are held by state school educated people. Want to compare that to their equivalents in the Labour Party? Actually it's four out of four. That is, four public school educated politicians.

So no one is going to accept being lectured on behalf of the Labour Party as though they are in touch with the working man. They are silver spooned career politicians who have done fuck all else in their lives.
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Very informative I'm sure, but that wasn't my point.
 
Henkeman said:
Except that you can apply the same thing to the other side. Corbyn has never done a real job in his life, he's hardly about the common people. Blair went to public school and had nothing to do with the ordinary working man. I can recall Michael Howard telling him that this grammar school boy wasn't going to take lectures from that public schoolboy.

The assumption that being Tory equals toffs is drivel. The background of the two main parties is not that dissimilar. And what happens? David Davis gets decried as a rich old white man by the left, apparently oblivious of his background.

Of the four senior offices of state, three of them are held by state school educated people. Want to compare that to their equivalents in the Labour Party? Actually it's four out of four. That is, four public school educated politicians.

So no one is going to accept being lectured on behalf of the Labour Party as though they are in touch with the working man. They are silver spooned career politicians who have done fuck all else in their lives.
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Corbyn was a journalist for a short time before voluntary working in south america for a few years, where most of his political beliefs were formed on societies need to lok after each other, partucullary the chillean system pre the pinochet coup.
He then work for unions interacting with workers and the working class daily.

Saying he has never done a days work is not true.

That he was privately educated alon with some of his inner circle though is.
 
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