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Hate to even type the word, but U****d Airlines!! ;-)

Were you flying prior to Hong Kong airport relocation? I vividly recall sat looking out the window watching a women hang out washing on a tower block balcony while thinking I’m actually part of 400 tons of an inflight 747.

What do you reckon is the most demanding airport to land / take off? Isn’t Vegas quite tricky?
 
Were you flying prior to Hong Kong airport relocation? I vividly recall sat looking out the window watching a women hang out washing on a tower block balcony while thinking I’m actually part of 400 tons of an inflight 747.

What do you reckon is the most demanding airport to land / take off? Isn’t Vegas quite tricky?
I had the same experience flying into Hong Kong, thought she was going to get her line wrapped round the wing!
 
and this is why i will never ever ever fly,people keep telling me flying is safe yet they keep going down!!,my 24 yo daughter and 4 yo grandaughter flew for the 1st time to spain saturday,and i can't settle till i know they are back safe...
1) there’s a whole world you’re missing out on out there

2) I assume you also don’t drive, walk on a pavement or walk up or down stairs.
 
and this is why i will never ever ever fly,people keep telling me flying is safe yet they keep going down!!,my 24 yo daughter and 4 yo grandaughter flew for the 1st time to spain saturday,and i can't settle till i know they are back safe...

There were no passenger jet crashes anywhere in the world in 2017. Think about that. Anywhere in the world. There are 40 million flights taking place in a year around the world, and most of those will be passenger jets. And not one of them crashed that year. And the trend continues that they get safer and safer. Accidents happen of course, but fewer and fewer of them all the time. If you were to board an aircraft, at random, anywhere in the world, every single day, it would on average be over 1,000 years before you were involved in an accident, and you'd almost certainly survive it.
 
Do they still get you to have a crack at landing that one with no hydraulics in the simulator? I know that was de rigeur for a while as notoriously difficult to get the thing down. Obviously when it's for real it does rather concentrate the mind...
We accomplish that in Initial Certification Type Training for the aircraft, but from there, it depends on when it pops back into the FAA hopper for review. Most of our recurrent (every 9 months at United) training is based on doing all the different instrument approaches to minimum weather conditions, maximum crosswind approach and landing in clear skies (so you can see the level of side slip on approach), a rejected takeoff in minimum weather conditions, engine failure on takeoff, return to single engine landing, to a go around single engine, to a crosswind visual approach single engine. Then, we do the training that the FAA mandates every year. This year, it is Upset Training (Stalls and wake turbulence, e.g. from an A380 on approach or mountain wave, etc...).

Then, on the second day, we do a simulated line flight (say Newark to San Juan, Puerto Rico on my fleet), usually in snow and ice for takeoff, to include a traffic warning and avoidance in flight, turbulence procedures for both the aircraft (speeds at certain altitudes) and cabin crew, then som enroute procedures such as multiple route changes where they try to make life difficult for you to distract you from the SYSTEMS EMERGENCY DU JOUR for that training cycle. From there, it is ensuring safe flight envelope, securing the system and any coincidental failures associated with it, and flying an approach to minimum weather conditions for the aircraft condition, which usually involves the decision making process to divert to a more suitable airport for the emergency, and getting on the ground safely....often followed by an emergency evacuation!

That usually takes two days of flying four hours in the simulator, with a two hour briefing before each day. Then, we do all the cabin equipment training, where we have to use and deploy all the emergency cabin equipment, from fire fighting equipment to opening all the doors and windows in case of emergency, to deploying to the rafts and reviewing the use of all the raft equipment and supplies. That’s another couple of hours.

So, that’s my Tuesday and Wednesday sorted this week! In fact, I’m off to do it in about 1 hour (it’s almost 11am here) and I’ll be done tonight around 8 pm, then back in at 8am tomorrow!

Hope that helps...
 
That happened to me once in a 757. The power that machine had was incredible. It felt like it still had stacks left in the tank as well!
It flies like a Porsche! It climbs out at a higher pitch attitude than any other commercial plane I’ve flown. I LOVED flying that plane!
 
It flies like a Porsche! It climbs out at a higher pitch attitude than any other commercial plane I’ve flown. I LOVED flying that plane!

I always felt if there was one aircraft I'd have loved a go around in, it had to be Concorde. Imagine the boot up the arse from that when they went full power on 50 feet above the runway...
 
Were you flying prior to Hong Kong airport relocation? I vividly recall sat looking out the window watching a women hang out washing on a tower block balcony while thinking I’m actually part of 400 tons of an inflight 747.

What do you reckon is the most demanding airport to land / take off? Isn’t Vegas quite tricky?
Never flew to the old one, only the new one, sorry.

Domestically in the US, the hardest approaches are the Expressway Visual 31 at LaGuardia, NYC and the River Visual 19 in Washington National. One follows a highway before a sharp turn to a short runway with water on both ends, the other follows a river (to avoid all the restricted and prohibited airspace around the White House, Congress, Pentagon) into DC, also with an even shorter runway with water on both ends. Some people so find San Diego quite hard because you are below the level of the high rises to your left and you missed the high rise parking garage at the end of the runway by only 100-200 feet on short final, but the approach is straightforward.
 
Ha ha good man, I hope you turn up for work wearing a full city kit plus shinpads and boots :)
Full kit wanker? Nah, but everyone knows I’m a City fan at work, from the MAN CITY license plate in the parking lot, to the imaginary spit on the ground when they say Manchester United! ;-)

I have had my picture taken kissing the badge on a City shirt in the cockpit, but discretion dictates not posting such things!
 
Gibraltar is always interesting. Short runway with the sea at both ends and the potential for windshear due to the flow of air round the rock.
 
Never flew to the old one, only the new one, sorry.

Domestically in the US, the hardest approaches are the Expressway Visual 31 at LaGuardia, NYC and the River Visual 19 in Washington National. One follows a highway before a sharp turn to a short runway with water on both ends, the other follows a river (to avoid all the restricted and prohibited airspace around the White House, Congress, Pentagon) into DC, also with an even shorter runway with water on both ends. Some people so find San Diego quite hard because you are below the level of the high rises to your left and you missed the high rise parking garage at the end of the runway by only 100-200 feet on short final, but the approach is straightforward.

How about SNA (Santa Ana/John Wayne/Orange County)? Short runway and that weird noise abatement take-off.
 
@ChicagoBlue have you ever done the simulation of the landing in the Hudson?
Edit.... sorry I've worded it wrong.
Have you done the simulation of when sully lost both engines and ending up putting it in the Hudson?
Yes!

The hardest part of that “flight” was the decision to land on the Hudson in the first place with airports agonizingly close, but not close enough!
 
Never flew to the old one, only the new one, sorry.

Domestically in the US, the hardest approaches are the Expressway Visual 31 at LaGuardia, NYC and the River Visual 19 in Washington National. One follows a highway before a sharp turn to a short runway with water on both ends, the other follows a river (to avoid all the restricted and prohibited airspace around the White House, Congress, Pentagon) into DC, also with an even shorter runway with water on both ends. Some people so find San Diego quite hard because you are below the level of the high rises to your left and you missed the high rise parking garage at the end of the runway by only 100-200 feet on short final, but the approach is straightforward.

Thank you for the insight and comments
 
a question for the pilots on here do they train you how to spot a suicidal pilot/co pilot or is there no way of telling?
 
I’m going to do that at least 5 times tomorrow in the simulator, so it shouldn’t bother you. Happens all the time, and almost happened to me on landing just last night in Chicago. Sometimes, spacing is just too tight, aircraft land at different speeds and slow down at different rates, etc, etc...No biggie! Power up, suck up some flaps, gear up, climb speed, Bob’s your uncle...and come back around and do it again! ;-)
The worst part of a go around as a passenger is that the pilots are understandably too busy to make a PA to let you know why.
 
How about SNA (Santa Ana/John Wayne/Orange County)? Short runway and that weird noise abatement take-off.
Straightforward, but we DO have a shorter touchdown zone.

They got rid of the crazy NA dept and just do an ICAO departure with a little turn over the marshland between the airport and Newport Beach.

Go in there all the time and tbh it is all the little General Aviation aircraft that are of far greater concern.
 

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