Zubrman
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I enjoyed the rail seating at Hoffenheim. I stood during the first and second halves but pulled the seat bit out and had a nice sit-down at half time. (Getting old and no alcohol sold to away fans.)
Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread
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I enjoyed the rail seating at Hoffenheim. I stood during the first and second halves but pulled the seat bit out and had a nice sit-down at half time. (Getting old and no alcohol sold to away fans.)
FS seems to get a lot of unfair stick and blame for the atmosphere. It's no better or worse than anywhere else it seems to me.
Football's changed from when i started going in 79. I went in a group with school mates on the match bus not a parent or girl in sight. I don't remember how much it was to get in the Kippax but I know we got in free plenty of times as one of our teachers worked thw turnstiles. But matches were 3pm on a Saturday so we were back home for tea. I don't see those groups of kids anymore. Its too expensive, no pay on the gate and matches are very rarely at 3pm Sat. Most kids go with parents now.
I like the family stand and think It's well located to keep kids interested in game and half time stuff with mascots. And imo the club are correct to invest in future fans. I pay for 5 ST and have had ST for all my kids from the moment too big to sit on a knee (they've all been from babies). I now have 3 kids who are City mad, buy and get bought merchandise regularly, spend a small fortune on chips etc at the match. I suspect that overall the FS does alright for the club £'s and that the club will have to think long and hard before prioritising other fans over it.
Football's changed from when i started going in 79. I went in a group with school mates on the match bus not a parent or girl in sight. I don't remember how much it was to get in the Kippax but I know we got in free plenty of times as one of our teachers worked thw turnstiles. But matches were 3pm on a Saturday so we were back home for tea. I don't see those groups of kids anymore. Its too expensive, no pay on the gate and matches are very rarely at 3pm Sat. Most kids go with parents now.
I like the family stand and think It's well located to keep kids interested in game and half time stuff with mascots. And imo the club are correct to invest in future fans. I pay for 5 ST and have had ST for all my kids from the moment too big to sit on a knee (they've all been from babies). I now have 3 kids who are City mad, buy and get bought merchandise regularly, spend a small fortune on chips etc at the match. I suspect that overall the FS does alright for the club £'s and that the club will have to think long and hard before prioritising other fans over it.
We’re holding auditions. We’re looking for talented drummers and good singers.(Megaphone) ;-)
I feel sorry for the kids.
My first City match was against Chelsea. We won 6-2. I was sat on the Kippax wall, next to standing Adults. Over the years as I grew up I made my own way to the back of the Kippax where the singers were, next to the away fans. Doing that gave me a real sense of what football, support, passion, and an atmosphere was really like. Kids these day’s are seated in a contrived and sterile area, away from the noise and atmosphere of other parts of the stadium. They are probably more interested in what the club puts on for them, and other things, rather than immersing themselves in the match, the atmosphere, and the occasion. I appreciate times have changed, and the FS surves a purpose, but I cann’t help feeling the kinds in the family stand are missing out.
JGL07
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That would be popular. Sell someone a season ticket and then not let them in if the child is ill or unavailable. The idea is supposed to be to build the fan base not destroy it!
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I'd be more bothered about the South stand than the family, that's supposed to be the noisy one. It seems that a lot of folk, who don't sit near the family stand or have sat there just once have a regular moan about it.
It's not the family stands job to get the stadium rocking, you would be better looking closer to home and asking why does your stand need a bunch of families to cheer for your atmosphere?
Stop throwing the blame at the family stand....!?!
It's not the family stands job to get the stadium rocking, you would be better looking closer to home and asking why does your stand need a bunch of families to cheer for your atmosphere?
Stop throwing the blame at the family stand....!?!
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This. People who, ironically stand, want a standing area to make noise. How will that work? And what nobody has considered. Who will sit near the away fans? I sit in the NS now and I don't want to be near them. Some people who go to the game go just to be near the away fans for their own reasons. They won't move. So will that area just become a second standing area? If safe standing was introduced and these people didn't relocate the club would insist that this are would be for sitting and they would then moan that the away fans can stand and they are told by the "twats from Showsec" to sit down. If safe standing was introduced why not install it where fans stand now and move the displaced seats to the new extended NS?
gouldybob
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Can we get this discussion moved to the Atmosphere thread. I thought this one was for developments, proposed and actual, in and around the ground.
Can I summarise,
- The NS may or may not be a big level 2 or mirror the SS.
- There might be safe standing, but there might not.
- The FS may or may not move
But they are still talking about it and sending out surveys to see what support there is for what they might want to do.
No news about the wider Campus development.
Is that it?
Can I summarise,
- The NS may or may not be a big level 2 or mirror the SS.
- There might be safe standing, but there might not.
- The FS may or may not move
But they are still talking about it and sending out surveys to see what support there is for what they might want to do.
No news about the wider Campus development.
Is that it?
I think once they extend the north stand, turn the lower into standing (3000 positions? - corner flag to corner flag) Keep the extended second tier for general sale and family as i dont think the demand for 6000 standing isnt there yet. However, the 2nd tier can have both sets of "seating" so it can be switched for big matches and create the Dortmund/KOP look.
This is Kingspan - Ravenhill - Ulster Rugby in Belfast which has standing/seating on most sides. The standing at ground level is much better.
This is Kingspan - Ravenhill - Ulster Rugby in Belfast which has standing/seating on most sides. The standing at ground level is much better.
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That’s why the club are looking at so many options.
Safe Standing proposed sections.
NS lower level, NS new level 2 at the front, SS level 3 at the back, back of the NS lower, etc. See my screen grabs from the email posted further back.
Those of us, including me, I’ll be honest, want to see a home end full of singers and City fans. Yes I like being stood near the away fans, but the SS is a total mess, with home fans, away fans, a corporate block, a restaurant, etc. That’s not a home end. And it isn’t generating an atmosphere, bar the big games. The 2 singing sections either side of the away fans can’t hear each other, and the don’t sing together. Different chants, different times, etc. If we could unite both those singing sections into one area of the NS, that would be better. Saying that, I expect many of those in those areas to stay there, because they are close to the away fans, and because of the easy access in and out of the stadium. No need to walk around it.
I agree, and understand the concerns of the family stand. Where is the best place to move it, if it is moved? If it isn’t moved, then the final chance of creating a proper home end, explained above, won’t work, and will be gone, as you can’t have a safe standing singing stand/section mixed in with the family stand?(see below)
Either way, fans are going to be unhappy whatever the club decide. That was the case when fans were turfed out of the original NS to make way for the family stand. And when fans were moved out of level 2 to make way for corporate seating. As the club has the final say, and from past experience, City fans have to accept the clubs final decision and move. The club will give fans new seats, or fans will eventually find the right seats via the relocation window.
As I keep on saying, we don’t know the number of fans, and the amount of seasts and blocks involved, if the family stand is moved. It certainly won’t be the whole of the current lower or upper North Stand.
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just a thought.
I would make all of the new North stand safe standing.
I would move the family stand to the front if the North stand second tier. I would make the whole of the North Stand lower tier the official singing section. I’d give 1894 the 2 centre blocks behind the goal.
So North stand lower, official safe standing singing section. North stand level 2, front blocks, family stand. The family stand is moved up and the kids get the front blocks, so they see the match better, and can hear and get involved in the chants below them. They could also sit down. Behind the family stand I would have normal safe standing in the remainder of the second tier, where Adult City fans can stand or sit.
But please bear in mind, if the family stand is moved to the front of level 2, they will hear swearing and abusive chants at times. Remember, there is no perfect solution. Somethings have to give. And it won’t be a stand tailored for kids and families anymore.
I would make all of the new North stand safe standing.
I would move the family stand to the front if the North stand second tier. I would make the whole of the North Stand lower tier the official singing section. I’d give 1894 the 2 centre blocks behind the goal.
So North stand lower, official safe standing singing section. North stand level 2, front blocks, family stand. The family stand is moved up and the kids get the front blocks, so they see the match better, and can hear and get involved in the chants below them. They could also sit down. Behind the family stand I would have normal safe standing in the remainder of the second tier, where Adult City fans can stand or sit.
But please bear in mind, if the family stand is moved to the front of level 2, they will hear swearing and abusive chants at times. Remember, there is no perfect solution. Somethings have to give. And it won’t be a stand tailored for kids and families anymore.
HelloCity
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People in the Family Stand shouldn’t take this personally.
It’s simply because the South Stand isn’t well suited to have a loud atmospheric end. It’s divided into 3 tiers, it’s got corporate etc.
The development of the North Stand will be done so that it creates a much larger 2nd tier with no corporate seating, allowing us to have more of a ‘home end’ type stand.
It’s just the Family Stand that happens to be taking up that space at this present time.
It’s simply because the South Stand isn’t well suited to have a loud atmospheric end. It’s divided into 3 tiers, it’s got corporate etc.
The development of the North Stand will be done so that it creates a much larger 2nd tier with no corporate seating, allowing us to have more of a ‘home end’ type stand.
It’s just the Family Stand that happens to be taking up that space at this present time.
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Standing isn't allowed for champions league games I thought. Isn't that why Germany has rail seating , for UEFA games.
HelloCity
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It’s not allowed but everyone still just stands.
Similar to how our fans stand in certain sections now.
Actually, think the UEFA law is that everyone must be provided with a seat rather than it being you’re not allowed to stand.