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IIRC Liverpool's biggest problem with expanding the Anfield Road end was objections from the locals regarding anti-social behaviour.

You don't read that in the scouse love-ins.

Worse than that, the club actively bought the houses in the area as they came up for sale. They then left the empty and allowed them to get run down, this forced residents to move out as the area was so run down, in turn this played into the hands of the club who could buy the houses at a cheaper rate. When they had all the houses they had the room to expand their stand.

But hey, they are such a principled club why does such small detail matter.
 
IIRC Liverpool's biggest problem with expanding the Anfield Road end was objections from the locals regarding anti-social behaviour.

You don't read that in the scouse love-ins.
I seem to remember an article on that a couple of years ago - didn't they make it very unpleasant for all of the incumbents in the houses surrounding Anfield?
 
Worse than that, the club actively bought the houses in the area as they came up for sale. They then left the empty and allowed them to get run down, this forced residents to move out as the area was so run down, in turn this played into the hands of the club who could buy the houses at a cheaper rate. When they had all the houses they had the room to expand their stand.

But hey, they are such a principled club why does such small detail matter.
Ahhhhhh yes that's right - great reward for such a 'knowledgeable crowd......
 
IIRC Liverpool's biggest problem with expanding the Anfield Road end was objections from the locals regarding anti-social behaviour.

You don't read that in the scouse love-ins.
Scousers? Anti-social?

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City needs to REALLY work hard on their image this year. Last year was dreadful for the club. We have (wrongly in most instances) been painted in a terrible light of late. Yes, it's down to fear, racism and off-field gamesmanship but regardless, it kills me to see the club dragged through so much mud for not much reason.

Time to fight back imho.

I want to see City being a little more proactive regarding our standing and image.
Off the top of my head I recall the recent Der Spiegel nonsense. Then my mind diverts to Chelsea and a lot of racism accused against their fans. Spurs and their inability to do something remotely easy like build a stadium on time. Pretty much 365 days of comical anti United stuff by all quarters of the press. Amongst that I recall countless match reports, articles, interviews, debate shows and the line absolutely eulogising over us, our play and pretty much everything about us. Oh, there was the Sancho stuff but that’s just what it is.

I’m likely to be missing something I’m sure, but pretty much all I recall last year was one huge and rightly deserved wankathon towards us. So in what way was last year dreadful for the club??
 
Off the top of my head I recall the recent Der Spiegel nonsense. Then my mind diverts to Chelsea and a lot of racism accused against their fans. Spurs and their inability to do something remotely easy like build a stadium on time. Pretty much 365 days of comical anti United stuff by all quarters of the press. Amongst that I recall countless match reports, articles, interviews, debate shows and the line absolutely eulogising over us, our play and pretty much everything about us. Oh, there was the Sancho stuff but that’s just what it is.

I’m likely to be missing something I’m sure, but pretty much all I recall last year was one huge and rightly deserved wankathon towards us. So in what way was last year dreadful for the club??

Correct, mate. The performances, records, Pep, the trophies...all documented by amazon, too, were a big PR coup for the club.

I bet we’ve picked up a lot of worldwide fans over the last 12 month. Many more if we can win the Chanpions league of course!
 
Correct, mate. The performances, records, Pep, the trophies...all documented by amazon, too, were a big PR coup for the club.

I bet we’ve picked up a lot of worldwide fans over the last 12 month. Many more if we can win the Chanpions league of course!
I would imagine winning that would be a catastrophic year. ;-)
 
Off the top of my head I recall the recent Der Spiegel nonsense. Then my mind diverts to Chelsea and a lot of racism accused against their fans. Spurs and their inability to do something remotely easy like build a stadium on time. Pretty much 365 days of comical anti United stuff by all quarters of the press. Amongst that I recall countless match reports, articles, interviews, debate shows and the line absolutely eulogising over us, our play and pretty much everything about us. Oh, there was the Sancho stuff but that’s just what it is.

I’m likely to be missing something I’m sure, but pretty much all I recall last year was one huge and rightly deserved wankathon towards us. So in what way was last year dreadful for the club??

Very true there was a wankathon towards us with the fantastic football we was playing and other than expensive fullbacks and empty seats they had little to go at us but don't write off the Der Spiegel revelations as nonsense. We all witnessed two weeks of horrendous accusations and insults against our club, the owner and even the fans from the absolute ****'s in the media. MCFC made it clear it was an organized attempt to damage the clubs reputation and said no more, other than City fans we had no one fighting our corner. We are still waiting for the outcome it is far from over.
 
Fucking hell. I'd never seen that before. What a despicable ****.
Never seen this either. Bloody hell. I have always said that in terms of the media we seem to have "the wrong type of foreign owners." It's not often you see it played out so publically. Is is usually more subtle (and all the worse for it). It needs calling out for what it is...racism.
 
Off the top of my head I recall the recent Der Spiegel nonsense. Then my mind diverts to Chelsea and a lot of racism accused against their fans. Spurs and their inability to do something remotely easy like build a stadium on time. Pretty much 365 days of comical anti United stuff by all quarters of the press. Amongst that I recall countless match reports, articles, interviews, debate shows and the line absolutely eulogising over us, our play and pretty much everything about us. Oh, there was the Sancho stuff but that’s just what it is.

I’m likely to be missing something I’m sure, but pretty much all I recall last year was one huge and rightly deserved wankathon towards us. So in what way was last year dreadful for the club??

Correct, mate. The performances, records, Pep, the trophies...all documented by amazon, too, were a big PR coup for the club.

I bet we’ve picked up a lot of worldwide fans over the last 12 month. Many more if we can win the Chanpions league of course!
Fair points, all.

But I think it depends on region and many other factors as to whether the Der Spiegel (and other outlets) very negative coverage has significantly impacted the club’s image. And, depending on where you currently reside, it could have significantly impacted your experience as a supporter.

I can’t say how widespread this is, of course, but I can say with absolute confidence that our club’s image has been negatively impacted in the USA, as I travel around quite a lot and, regardless of where I go now, when it comes up that I love football—and specifically that I am a lifelong City supporter—the conversation inveritably turns to what I think about my club now being owned by the UAE. Sometimes they don’t say it so politely or reference things that aren’t even true before waiting for my response. Sometimes they do not even ask, but rather launch into a moralistic diatribe that I often must sit through with a smile as they are clients or professional acquaintances.

And, unlike in the past when many people here had no idea what I was talking about when I mentioned City (they had barely been exposed to football, much less specific clubs from abroad), the only knowledge some now have of football are the FIFA scandals and our club’s recent press. As recently as September I never had to even talk about City unless I decided I wanted to bring it up; now, after hearing from others I am from Manchester and am City supporter, many people actively raise the topic of our ownership with me. I have even developed a canned, neutral response for when I can’t be combative with my answer (quasi professional situations or conversations with family where I need to avoid conflict).

It gets worse when I interact with supporters of other clubs (either expats or American JCLs). The righteous indignation is often insufferable, and I’ve even had a falling out with two members of my community league team after a debate about our ownership and how it “taints” all of our accomplishments. I had the temerity to point out that their clubs receive funding from the UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and China, and one of them is owned by a preported Russian armsdealer, so I wondered if they were aware of their hypocrisy in this outrage.

I’ve had similar interactions with people back home and around the continent (specifically Switzerland and France, recently). My brother-in-law (Swiss) actually has begun to apparently “think less of me” because I “insist on supporting a PR arm of a totalitarian regime”, whilst a previously close mate who supports Young Boys (Bern) has said he is “disappointed” in my “continued association with Manchester City”. A representative of one of my clients based in France actually wrote an email to my direct manager about his feeling uneasy that I am prominently known as a City supporter—I am a data science manager working exclusively with NGOs which tend to be very sensitive about affiliations, even if they are not directly part of my role or organisation. It was an outrageous thing to raise, and my manager agreed, but it is still an example of how things have changed since the recent coverage, as they would have never had such a concern before (much less officially raise it).

All of that is to say I think last year was both good and bad for us, and the reach of the latter depends on region and preexisting affinities. Thus far it has not been catastrophic, as others have said, but that doesn’t mean it could not lead to more substantial impacts to the club’s image if we do not manage things well and shine light on the hypocrisy and misinformation rampant in popular media coverage.
 
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Very true there was a wankathon towards us with the fantastic football we was playing and other than expensive fullbacks and empty seats they had little to go at us but don't write off the Der Spiegel revelations as nonsense. We all witnessed two weeks of horrendous accusations and insults against our club, the owner and even the fans from the absolute ****'s in the media. MCFC made it clear it was an organized attempt to damage the clubs reputation and said no more, other than City fans we had no one fighting our corner. We are still waiting for the outcome it is far from over.
Hardly horrific then eh? And I know it wasn’t you who said that btw.
 
Fair points, all.

But I think it depends on region and many other factors as to whether the Der Spiegel (and other outlets) very negative coverage has significantly impacted the club’s image. And, depending on where you currently reside, it could have significantly impacted your experience as a supporter.

I can’t say how widespread this is, of course, but I can say with absolute confidence that our club’s image has been negatively impacted in the USA, as I travel around quite a lot and, regardless of where I go now, when it comes up that I love football—and specifically that I am a lifelong City supporter—the conversation inveritably turns to what I think about my club now being owned by the UAE. Sometimes they don’t say it so politely or reference things that aren’t even true before waiting for my response. Sometimes they do not even ask, but rather launch into a moralistic diatribe that I often must sit throw with a smile as they are clients or professional acquaintances.

And, unlike in the past when many people here had no idea what I was talking about when I mentioned City (they had barely been exposed to football, much less specific clubs from abroad), the only knowledge some now have of football are the FIFA scandals and our club’s recent press. As recently as September I never had to even talk about City unless I decided I wanted to bring it up; now, after hearing from others I am from Manchester and am City supporter, many people actively raise the topic of our ownership with me. I have even developed a canned, neutral response for when I can’t be combative with my answer (quasi professional situations or conversations with family where I need to avoid conflict).

It gets worse when I interact with supporters of other clubs (either expats or American JCLs). The righteous indignation is often insufferable, and I’ve even had a falling out with two members of my community league team after a debate about our ownership and how it “taints” all of our accomplishments. I had the temerity to point out that their clubs receive funding from the UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and China, and one of them is owned by a preported Russian armsdealer, so I wondered if they were aware of their hypocrisy in this outrage.

I’ve had similar interactions with people back home and around the continent (specifically Switzerland and France, recently). My brother-in-law (Swiss) actually has begun to apparently “think less of me” because I “insist on supporting a PR arm of a totalitarian regime”, whilst a previously close mate who supports Young Boys (Bern) has said he is “disappointed” in my “continued association with Manchester City”. A representative of one of my clients based in France actually wrote an email to my direct manager about his feeling uneasy that I am prominently known as a City supporter—I am a data science manager working exclusively with NGOs which tend to be very sensitive about affiliations, even if they are not directly part of my role or organisation. It was an outrageous thing to raise, and my manager agreed, but it is still an example of how things have changed since the recent coverage, as they would have never had such a concern before (much less officially raise it).

All of that is to say I think last year was both good and bad for us, and the reach of the latter depends on region and preexisting affinities. Thus far it has not been catastrophic, as others have said, but that doesn’t mean it could not lead to more substantial impacts to the club’s image if we do not manage things well and shine light on the hypocrisy and misinformation rampant in popular media coverage.
sounds like your job is full of wankers,fuck it off and become a ramp rat,anybody that comes out with shit just hit them with a heavy chock
 
sounds like your job is full of wankers,fuck it off and become a ramp rat,anybody that comes out with shit just hit them with a heavy chock
I wish I could say that thought hadn’t crossed my mind. ;-)

I imagine my daily experience is impacted a bit more than most because of the industry I work in (plenty of righteous indignation to go around in the NGO world), but I have heard about similar interactions from other City supporters in other industries. Perhaps not as frequent but still there. The worst one I have heard, actually, was from a mate that now lives in York who apparently got in to a heated discussion with his father-in-law on Christmas which lead to a bit of handbags.

Now, I would wager there was tension there to begin with, but my mate’s defence of City (which is what some of us now have to do because of the recent negative coverage) is what sent it over the edge.
 
I wish I could say that thought hadn’t crossed my mind. ;-)

I imagine my daily experience is impacted a bit more than most because of the industry I work in (plenty of righteous indignation to go around in the NGO world), but I have heard about similar interactions from other City supporters in other industries. Perhaps not as frequent but still there. The worst one I have heard, actually, was from a mate that now lives in York who apparently got in to a heated discussion with his father-in-law on Christmas which lead to a bit of handbags.

Now, I would wager there was tension there to begin with, but my mate’s defence of City (which is what some of us now have to do because of the recent negative coverage) is what sent it over the edge.
lol I can get your mate a chock if you want :)
 
Fair points, all.

But I think it depends on region and many other factors as to whether the Der Spiegel (and other outlets) very negative coverage has significantly impacted the club’s image. And, depending on where you currently reside, it could have significantly impacted your experience as a supporter.

I can’t say how widespread this is, of course, but I can say with absolute confidence that our club’s image has been negatively impacted in the USA, as I travel around quite a lot and, regardless of where I go now, when it comes up that I love football—and specifically that I am a lifelong City supporter—the conversation inveritably turns to what I think about my club now being owned by the UAE. Sometimes they don’t say it so politely or reference things that aren’t even true before waiting for my response. Sometimes they do not even ask, but rather launch into a moralistic diatribe that I often must sit through with a smile as they are clients or professional acquaintances.

And, unlike in the past when many people here had no idea what I was talking about when I mentioned City (they had barely been exposed to football, much less specific clubs from abroad), the only knowledge some now have of football are the FIFA scandals and our club’s recent press. As recently as September I never had to even talk about City unless I decided I wanted to bring it up; now, after hearing from others I am from Manchester and am City supporter, many people actively raise the topic of our ownership with me. I have even developed a canned, neutral response for when I can’t be combative with my answer (quasi professional situations or conversations with family where I need to avoid conflict).

It gets worse when I interact with supporters of other clubs (either expats or American JCLs). The righteous indignation is often insufferable, and I’ve even had a falling out with two members of my community league team after a debate about our ownership and how it “taints” all of our accomplishments. I had the temerity to point out that their clubs receive funding from the UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and China, and one of them is owned by a preported Russian armsdealer, so I wondered if they were aware of their hypocrisy in this outrage.

I’ve had similar interactions with people back home and around the continent (specifically Switzerland and France, recently). My brother-in-law (Swiss) actually has begun to apparently “think less of me” because I “insist on supporting a PR arm of a totalitarian regime”, whilst a previously close mate who supports Young Boys (Bern) has said he is “disappointed” in my “continued association with Manchester City”. A representative of one of my clients based in France actually wrote an email to my direct manager about his feeling uneasy that I am prominently known as a City supporter—I am a data science manager working exclusively with NGOs which tend to be very sensitive about affiliations, even if they are not directly part of my role or organisation. It was an outrageous thing to raise, and my manager agreed, but it is still an example of how things have changed since the recent coverage, as they would have never had such a concern before (much less officially raise it).

All of that is to say I think last year was both good and bad for us, and the reach of the latter depends on region and preexisting affinities. Thus far it has not been catastrophic, as others have said, but that doesn’t mean it could not lead to more substantial impacts to the club’s image if we do not manage things well and shine light on the hypocrisy and misinformation rampant in popular media coverage.

All football fans I meet want to talk about how good we are.
 
Fair points, all.

But I think it depends on region and many other factors as to whether the Der Spiegel (and other outlets) very negative coverage has significantly impacted the club’s image. And, depending on where you currently reside, it could have significantly impacted your experience as a supporter.

I can’t say how widespread this is, of course, but I can say with absolute confidence that our club’s image has been negatively impacted in the USA, as I travel around quite a lot and, regardless of where I go now, when it comes up that I love football—and specifically that I am a lifelong City supporter—the conversation inveritably turns to what I think about my club now being owned by the UAE. Sometimes they don’t say it so politely or reference things that aren’t even true before waiting for my response. Sometimes they do not even ask, but rather launch into a moralistic diatribe that I often must sit through with a smile as they are clients or professional acquaintances.

And, unlike in the past when many people here had no idea what I was talking about when I mentioned City (they had barely been exposed to football, much less specific clubs from abroad), the only knowledge some now have of football are the FIFA scandals and our club’s recent press. As recently as September I never had to even talk about City unless I decided I wanted to bring it up; now, after hearing from others I am from Manchester and am City supporter, many people actively raise the topic of our ownership with me. I have even developed a canned, neutral response for when I can’t be combative with my answer (quasi professional situations or conversations with family where I need to avoid conflict).

It gets worse when I interact with supporters of other clubs (either expats or American JCLs). The righteous indignation is often insufferable, and I’ve even had a falling out with two members of my community league team after a debate about our ownership and how it “taints” all of our accomplishments. I had the temerity to point out that their clubs receive funding from the UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and China, and one of them is owned by a preported Russian armsdealer, so I wondered if they were aware of their hypocrisy in this outrage.

I’ve had similar interactions with people back home and around the continent (specifically Switzerland and France, recently). My brother-in-law (Swiss) actually has begun to apparently “think less of me” because I “insist on supporting a PR arm of a totalitarian regime”, whilst a previously close mate who supports Young Boys (Bern) has said he is “disappointed” in my “continued association with Manchester City”. A representative of one of my clients based in France actually wrote an email to my direct manager about his feeling uneasy that I am prominently known as a City supporter—I am a data science manager working exclusively with NGOs which tend to be very sensitive about affiliations, even if they are not directly part of my role or organisation. It was an outrageous thing to raise, and my manager agreed, but it is still an example of how things have changed since the recent coverage, as they would have never had such a concern before (much less officially raise it).

All of that is to say I think last year was both good and bad for us, and the reach of the latter depends on region and preexisting affinities. Thus far it has not been catastrophic, as others have said, but that doesn’t mean it could not lead to more substantial impacts to the club’s image if we do not manage things well and shine light on the hypocrisy and misinformation rampant in popular media coverage.
Fucking hell I think you’re a prime candidate for going postal with that lot.
 
Fair points, all.

But I think it depends on region and many other factors as to whether the Der Spiegel (and other outlets) very negative coverage has significantly impacted the club’s image. And, depending on where you currently reside, it could have significantly impacted your experience as a supporter.

I can’t say how widespread this is, of course, but I can say with absolute confidence that our club’s image has been negatively impacted in the USA, as I travel around quite a lot and, regardless of where I go now, when it comes up that I love football—and specifically that I am a lifelong City supporter—the conversation inveritably turns to what I think about my club now being owned by the UAE. Sometimes they don’t say it so politely or reference things that aren’t even true before waiting for my response. Sometimes they do not even ask, but rather launch into a moralistic diatribe that I often must sit through with a smile as they are clients or professional acquaintances.

And, unlike in the past when many people here had no idea what I was talking about when I mentioned City (they had barely been exposed to football, much less specific clubs from abroad), the only knowledge some now have of football are the FIFA scandals and our club’s recent press. As recently as September I never had to even talk about City unless I decided I wanted to bring it up; now, after hearing from others I am from Manchester and am City supporter, many people actively raise the topic of our ownership with me. I have even developed a canned, neutral response for when I can’t be combative with my answer (quasi professional situations or conversations with family where I need to avoid conflict).

It gets worse when I interact with supporters of other clubs (either expats or American JCLs). The righteous indignation is often insufferable, and I’ve even had a falling out with two members of my community league team after a debate about our ownership and how it “taints” all of our accomplishments. I had the temerity to point out that their clubs receive funding from the UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and China, and one of them is owned by a preported Russian armsdealer, so I wondered if they were aware of their hypocrisy in this outrage.

I’ve had similar interactions with people back home and around the continent (specifically Switzerland and France, recently). My brother-in-law (Swiss) actually has begun to apparently “think less of me” because I “insist on supporting a PR arm of a totalitarian regime”, whilst a previously close mate who supports Young Boys (Bern) has said he is “disappointed” in my “continued association with Manchester City”. A representative of one of my clients based in France actually wrote an email to my direct manager about his feeling uneasy that I am prominently known as a City supporter—I am a data science manager working exclusively with NGOs which tend to be very sensitive about affiliations, even if they are not directly part of my role or organisation. It was an outrageous thing to raise, and my manager agreed, but it is still an example of how things have changed since the recent coverage, as they would have never had such a concern before (much less officially raise it).

All of that is to say I think last year was both good and bad for us, and the reach of the latter depends on region and preexisting affinities. Thus far it has not been catastrophic, as others have said, but that doesn’t mean it could not lead to more substantial impacts to the club’s image if we do not manage things well and shine light on the hypocrisy and misinformation rampant in popular media coverage.
and of course Winter's current employer pre-funded Der Spiegel's extortionist 'Portugese John' and he was foaming for a full enquiry by UEFA & the FA at the first opportunity.
 
All football fans I meet want to talk about how good we are.
You’re lucky, mate — that used to be my experience, too, but it has definitely changed over the last two months. I now long for the 90s, when we were everyone’s second club (mostly out of pity). ;-)

Fucking hell I think you’re a prime candidate for going postal with that lot.
I’m a fairly calm and confident bloke, so I can usually get through it without issue. But, if I am honest, the recent comments from family and mates have definitely started to grate, mostly because you interact with them more often and their opinion actually has an effect, unlike the random professional contact or JCL.
 
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