Liverpool (H) Post Match Thread

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aguero93:20 said:
Agree with all the rest but the way to deal with this (and we did it at amateur level) is simply to kick the ball against them and get them booked for deliberately encroaching. It's mandatory so if the ref orders a retake without booking them it's easy to point out.
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Agreed, but the issue is that players at the top level are rarely carded for doing it, even when the ball is kicked against the player standing in front of it. It shouldn’t be that way, as it should be mandatory as you said, but it is. They nearly always just get a stern talking to.

Also, even if they are carded, it will still be used to stop quick free kicks that could be dangerous (just as professional fouls like Lovrens on Thursday are employed, knowing full well they are going to get a yellow card, rather than a red, usually), so will continue to be a frequent tactic. The rule changes I propose would be in addition to more strict enforcement of carding encroachment, and would make it more difficult to obstruct the free kicks in general.
 
Stoned Rose said:
Actually i’ve finally worked it out.

They didn’t win because they hadn’t been through their usual pre-match routine of smashing a coach up in public.

There, all sorted now.
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We’re ruining football, as they’ve always said.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Agreed, but the issue is that players at the top level are rarely carded for doing it, even when the ball is kicked against the player standing in front of it. It shouldn’t be that way, as it should be mandatory as you said, but it is. They nearly always just get a stern talking to.
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So keep going at the ref, remind him constantly, point out that it's a tactic etc (you can probably tell I was given the armband solely to keep me on the pitch for 90 minutes), every player booked is a player suffering from a split second of hesitation before every duel, every tackle etc. It's one I think should be a yellow card tbh.

Shirt pulls etc? Fine, but if shirt pulls are a mandatory red then we'll see more tackles like the one on Sané by the Cardiff player last season.
 
aguero93:20 said:
So keep going at the ref, remind him constantly, point out that it's a tactic etc (you can probably tell I was given the armband solely to keep me on the pitch for 90 minutes), every player booked is a player suffering from a split second of hesitation before every duel, every tackle etc. It's one I think should be a yellow card tbh.

Shirt pulls etc? Fine, but if shirt pulls are a mandatory red then we'll see more tackles like the one on Sané by the Cardiff player last season.
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Perhaps I have just had to deal with far more stubborn or belligerent refs over my time, but I have had very little luck with pointing out inconsistencies in their application of the laws of the game. In fact, I found that it was most often counter productive. I have a few anecdotal examples (including an unfair sending off in a game in ‘Uddersfield toward the end of my competitive playing days), but I’ll save everyone another monotonous diatribe.

But you might be right — maybe at the top level that strategy could be effective as the referees have to be less reactionary and vindictive given there is a much higher level of scrutiny and consequence.
 
Chris in London said:
Jurgen Klopp, September 2017:



Jurgen Klopp, January 2019



So: dangerous tackle leading to serious injury = no red card; non-dangerous tackle not leading to serious injuries = red card.

Was he always deluded or is it just since he joined them?
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He's just gone all in since he became the Cult leader at Klanfield.
All managers do once they get there look at that nutter Bodgers with his Nazi style armband, it could be the only way to get those lunatic fans on board.
 
Having an argument with a dipper earlier shut the cvnt up when I pointed out that if all teams played the dippers as we have, they'd be relegated on 19 points.
1 out of six.
 
Just watched the whole 90 minutes back again...

The quality on show wasn’t as good as I’d thought it was. Some very poor passing from both teams but especially Liverpool.

First half:
Salah was involved in almost nothing. Leroy very dangerous but neither team created anything other than the two main goal mouth chances, theirs didn’t go in but ours did!

Second half:
We created much more, our passing was better, but we switched off as a team for their goal. Then Robertson switched off and their whole team panicked for our winning goal. They continued to pass very poorly and Salah was again involved in almost nothing while we should have sewn the game up with a third a few times. Fernandinho and Bernardo were the difference in the game overall.


I’ve heard and read a few times in various places about that game being like the reverse fixture last season when they took our unbeaten run off us. But we finished 25 points above them so for me it wasn’t that at all. It was more of it being the fixture at Old Trafford for us last season where we won and put an 11 point gap between us and United that could never be bridged again... the difference being it would have been Liverpool creating a 10 point gap to us which we may not have bridged... but they failed to do it!

Meaning, title race... ON!
 
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Psychedelic Casual said:
It’s just beyond my understanding why people would go to a football match and sit there on their phone filming the game.

You can only live that moment once, you can never get it back, not ever again!
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I don't really get it either unless you're at the game as a neutral.
 
whp.blue said:
He's just gone all in since he became the Cult leader at Klanfield.
All managers do once they get there look at that nutter Bodgers with his Nazi style armband, it could be the only way to get those lunatic fans on board.
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Great post.
Id forgot al about stern faced Bodger,lol.thanks blue.!!
 
Maly Wilson said:
It’s not all semantics tho. Suggest you take a look....pics & everyfink ;)

https://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_12_fouls_misconduct_en_47379.pdf
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I know the laws. I know how they came to be. And "careless, reckless, excessive force" were there before someone came up with the idea of using those words to determine disciplinary sanctions (yellow and red cards).

Stuff like that is there too in law 11 where "gaining an advantage" now means something different to what it originally meant. The laws are drafted by referees rather than writers.
 
Maly Wilson said:
Because they haven’t read or understood the laws of the game
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It isn't just the laws. There is plenty of stuff (eg video training for refs) to say that once you leave the ground you're out of control and can't be sure where you'll land. Kompany got a RC rescinded a few years ago (v. Arsenal) because he actually missed the opponent by a long way, but Mike Riley was quoted from a previous incident: "The message is that if you commit to a tackle that is at speed and with intensity, typically with both feet off the ground, then you put yourself at risk of being sent off."



aguero93:20 said:
Agree with all the rest but the way to deal with this (and we did it at amateur level) is simply to kick the ball against them and get them booked for deliberately encroaching. It's mandatory so if the ref orders a retake without booking them it's easy to point out.
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Even that isn't straightforward. If you take a quick FK and the ball hits an opponent less than ten yards away, play on (even if he should have retreated ten yards). If the opponent is close and sticks out a foot to intercept it, that's an offence and should be a YC.

"If a player decides to take a free kick quickly and an opponent who is less than 9.15 m from the ball intercepts it, the referee shall allow play to continue. If a player decides to take a free kick quickly and an opponent who is near the ball deliberately prevents him taking the kick, the referee shall caution the player for delaying the start of play."

It might be mandatory but it doesn't always happen (in the Prem). Feel free to point that out to Mike Riley when next you see him!
 
EricBrooksGhost said:
I fully agree with you both; forever moaning at the match to the daughter about these incidents. It fucking amazes me that the posters on here who desperately need to be seen as the most balanced blue in the world, end up being some of the most blinkered.
Bottom line we get reffed differently; time wasting by keepers being my current favorite but the general grabbing, pulling of shirts etc that we suffer are exactly what the likes of Neville accuse us of.
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Ironic isn’t that in the last two games Ederson. has been booked for time wasting. On neither occasion was he given a warning or told to hurry up. He deserved it against Liverpool, but I’ve seen the same thing happen with countless keepers at the Etihad with barely a word spoken till the last few minutes of the game, never mind a booking for a first offence.
 
Stortz said:
I never knew until thursdays game that klopp stands in the centre circle watching the opposition warm up almost like he’s trying to stare you out! If I were pep I’d just tell the lads to laugh like fuck and point at the dickhead and fire balls at his teeth!
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Cringeworthy stuff from Klopp trying to eye ball our players during the warm up, proper played up to the cameras as well doing it. Trying to give off the mantra that he’s up there with Guardiola with looking at fine details and studying the opposition when really he is just a wannabe cheap Aldi version of Pep, without the trophies, without the tactics but a big monkey on his back of failing when it comes to the big moments.

When they got back into it he must have thought job done in keeping City at arms length in the title race. Now he must be shitting it with self doubt that it could all go tits up again.
 
Vic said:
It isn't just the laws. There is plenty of stuff (eg video training for refs) to say that once you leave the ground you're out of control and can't be sure where you'll land. Kompany got a RC rescinded a few years ago (v. Arsenal) because he actually missed the opponent by a long way, but Mike Riley was quoted from a previous incident: "The message is that if you commit to a tackle that is at speed and with intensity, typically with both feet off the ground, then you put yourself at risk of being sent off."





Even that isn't straightforward. If you take a quick FK and the ball hits an opponent less than ten yards away, play on (even if he should have retreated ten yards). If the opponent is close and sticks out a foot to intercept it, that's an offence and should be a YC.

"If a player decides to take a free kick quickly and an opponent who is less than 9.15 m from the ball intercepts it, the referee shall allow play to continue. If a player decides to take a free kick quickly and an opponent who is near the ball deliberately prevents him taking the kick, the referee shall caution the player for delaying the start of play."

It might be mandatory but it doesn't always happen (in the Prem). Feel free to point that out to Mike Riley when next you see him!
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Mike Riley the Doyen of refereeing.

Shit referees, then become the orators, of refereeing punditry.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
Cringeworthy stuff from Klopp trying to eye ball our players during the warm up, proper played up to the cameras as well doing it. Trying to give off the mantra that he’s up there with Guardiola with looking at fine details and studying the opposition when really he is just a wannabe cheap Aldi version of Pep, without the trophies, without the tactics but a big monkey on his back of failing when it comes to the big moments.

When they got back into it he must have thought job done in keeping City at arms length in the title race. Now he must be shitting it with self doubt that it could all go tits up again.
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He’s clearly a narcissist. Only doing it to get himself on cameras on the tele.
 
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