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Chappie said:
loyalty points is not the issue, it's the fact that 40% of away tickets are being creamed off by one group or another, with little accountability
That's 1400 tickets per away match out of 3000 tickets that would probably mean the sellout criteria would reach down to 13000 points instead of 16000 average at present
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Up to 41.5% now with the new group.
 
Chappie said:
loyalty points is not the issue, it's the fact that 40% of away tickets are being creamed off by one group or another, with little accountability
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They aren't being "creamed off" though. They are (for the most part) going to supporters of one sort or another, even if you don't agree with them going to those supporters.
 
Chappie said:
loyalty points is not the issue, it's the fact that 40% of away tickets are being creamed off by one group or another, with little accountability
That's 1400 tickets per away match out of 3000 tickets that would probably mean the sellout criteria would reach down to 13000 points instead of 16000 average at present
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I not so sure your figures are correct. In the last 3 seasons not many games have got to 13000 points. Most have sold out at 17k plus.

Someone with more time could prove me or you correct.

Like I said there no one fix to suit all. We are a big draw now and this is a price of success. Demand outstrips supply.

Maybe we should fight for increased allocations away. Bournemouth have reduced ours for this year.
 
squirtyflower said:
Just pointing out that the myth of ‘taking up the slack’ is bollocks.
Branches sent them back in droves, hence it going to lower points and the better atmosphere.

It’s disengenous to try and twist the discussion into hatred of the Supporters Club, it’s far from it. I’ve been a member of four different branches in my time and done a lot of work for them, some of which has been published.

However this thread is about away tickets and was requested in order to not detract from the City Matters thread.
Tickets is what the discussion is about, not the Supporters club and not the work of the Supporters club, it’s about ticket allocation. No one is criticising the Supporters Club or their members, we’re having a discussion about Manchester City’s ticket allocation, which some of us believe to be unfair to people with the points. Why is that so wrong?
One question that needs answering though “is the Supporters Club’s allocation an inalienable right and therefore not allowed to be discussed”?


The other myth being ‘you only get a ticket if you have the points if you are in a Supporters Club’.

You know that’s not true and have admitted it on here, as has Prestwich Blue and liamCTID. So why this pretence from members that all SC members have the right points to get a ticket?
Just the fact that you get your allocation before they go on sale to the plebs proves the point to be inaccurate and untruthful.

What independent seasoncard holders (at 44,000, double the members in the SC) are asking for is a fair crack of the whip.
Corporates and player allocation should be cut. There’s no need for a SC allocation with the new technology we have. Modification of Friends & Family could be a Supporters Club page for each branch with their members on it. The members log in to say they want a ticket and they are then allocated together so you don’t have to sit own your own, provided they have the points.
It really doesn’t matter how the tickets are sourced for making arrangements to sort travel, yet another myth.
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Absolutely spot on. I agree with every word.
 
mayo31 said:
I not so sure your figures are correct. In the last 3 seasons not many games have got to 13000 points. Most have sold out at 17k plus.

Someone with more time could prove me or you correct.

Like I said there no one fix to suit all. We are a big draw now and this is a price of success. Demand outstrips supply.

Maybe we should fight for increased allocations away. Bournemouth have reduced ours for this year.
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Even with increased allocations demand outstrips supply. I think people are cheesed off with some of the shenanigans surrounding the allocating of away tickets. People will be looking after their little cliques I guarantee. It stinks.
 
mayo31 said:
I not so sure your figures are correct. In the last 3 seasons not many games have got to 13000 points. Most have sold out at 17k plus.

Someone with more time could prove me or you correct.

Like I said there no one fix to suit all. We are a big draw now and this is a price of success. Demand outstrips supply.

Maybe we should fight for increased allocations away. Bournemouth have reduced ours for this year.
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Please read my post again
I am suggesting that if all tickets went through the loyalty system it would not be selling out at circa 16/17000 as is the case now for big matches it would probably sell out at circa 13000 points due to the extra 1400 tickets being sold through the loyalty system
Many other matches would go much lower as has been seen many times this season , Cardiff Newcastle Leicester Southampton Spurs Everton
 
Chappie said:
Please read my post again
I am suggesting that if all tickets went through the loyalty system it would not be selling out at circa 16/17000 as is the case now for big matches it would probably sell out at circa 13000 points due to the extra 1400 tickets being sold through the loyalty system
Many other matches would go much lower as has been seen many times this season , Cardiff Newcastle Leicester Southampton Spurs Everton
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I don't totally agree with your assessment.
 
lancs blue said:
I doubt that very much, individual branch allocations have been slashed in recent seasons with the new branches springing up, plus the extras for corporates.
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You have to read your post carefully, especially when it gets a like from Supporters Club aficionados.

The allocation to the Supporters Club has actually increased over the last five years. It was 10% and it is now 20%, that is not a cut by any stretch of the imagination. Now that cut has been creamed off from the independent supporters in here asking why the allocation is necessary at all.

Perhaps you should ask Mr Parker for a breakdown of where all the tickets are distributed? Your branch may be getting less whilst some are getting more, much more.
 
squirtyflower said:
You have to read your post carefully, especially when it gets a like from Supporters Club aficionados.

The allocation to the Supporters Club has actually increased over the last five years. It was 10% and it is now 20%, that is not a cut by any stretch of the imagination. Now that cut has been creamed off from the independent supporters in here asking why the allocation is necessary at all.

Perhaps you should ask Mr Parker for a breakdown of where all the tickets are distributed? Your branch may be getting less whilst some are getting more, much more.
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Not a chance that will happen. Some supporters clubs have always been given preferential treatment over others

Would be carnage if they published that information

I know of one supporters club that the secretary has his seasoncard paid for by the members
 
All I know is that it’s incredibly annoying being on 14,000 points and continually missing out on a fair number of games. I go to what I can but every season everyone above me moves on and I have no way of ever bridging that gap.
Even more infuriating is when people on here say to the ones that moan that they have ample opportunity to go to Sunderland on a Tuesday night etc, as if those 20 points will make all the difference. Believe me they don’t.
 
StevieAsk said:
All I know is that it’s incredibly annoying being on 14,000 points and continually missing out on a fair number of games. I go to what I can but every season everyone above me moves on and I have no way of ever bridging that gap.
Even more infuriating is when people on here say to the ones that moan that they have ample opportunity to go to Sunderland on a Tuesday night etc, as if those 20 points will make all the difference. Believe me they don’t.
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I know how you feel. I've had a season ticket for the last 27 years (first one bought in the 70s) and ive been "lucky" enough to get tickets for Cardiff and Southampton away. Although i used to travel away a lot when we were in the 3rd tier and championship, i fell behind when I started a family. Also only got a measly 1500 points "awarded" for my support prior to moving grounds. I think the % for corporates and SC should be reduced so that the % goes up for season ticket holders and to allow the introduction of a ballot for younger supporters who will never catch up the points.
 
bluebarry said:
I know how you feel. I've had a season ticket for the last 27 years (first one bought in the 70s) and ive been "lucky" enough to get tickets for Cardiff and Southampton away. Although i used to travel away a lot when we were in the 3rd tier and championship, i fell behind when I started a family. Also only got a measly 1500 points "awarded" for my support prior to moving grounds. I think the % for corporates and SC should be reduced so that the % goes up for season ticket holders and to allow the introduction of a ballot for younger supporters who will never catch up the points.
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Agree with you and StevieAsk. The moving up the ladder has stopped and I reckon it happened when Joes opened, and then Tunnel Club. Perhaps if we had the historical data on the Corp/SC/points split evolution of the last few years, it would become clearer.
As it stands, the concept of the loyalty lints as something you move through is gone. The suggestion of only giving out points for games that go to general sale is a litigant to this, I feel. It does not disadvantage those at the top unless they only pick the glamour matches - which they don’t do from what i can see. (They don’t just pick the glamour games, to be clear).
 
squirtyflower said:
You have to read your post carefully, especially when it gets a like from Supporters Club aficionados.

The allocation to the Supporters Club has actually increased over the last five years. It was 10% and it is now 20%, that is not a cut by any stretch of the imagination. Now that cut has been creamed off from the independent supporters in here asking why the allocation is necessary at all.

Perhaps you should ask Mr Parker for a breakdown of where all the tickets are distributed? Your branch may be getting less whilst some are getting more, much more.
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The branch I'm in have definitely had their away allocation cut in recent seasons and I'm sure there are a few branches where their allocation is more than a pro-rata figure. I'll ask the branch sec. if he knows how it works but he's not on the exec committee, hence my question along similar lines earlier in the thread.
 
lancs blue said:
The branch I'm in have definitely had their away allocation cut in recent seasons and I'm sure there are a few branches where their allocation is more than a pro-rata figure. I'll ask the branch sec. if he knows how it works but he's not on the exec committee, hence my question along similar lines earlier in the thread.
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Some branches have definitely had their numbers cut.
Some of the far away branches get one or two whereas they used to get five or six.
Yet the allocation has increased, so they must have gone somewhere, hence my statement.
 
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