Media coverage 2018/19

[bavarian blue]

Understand he is thinking of forming a band with former City favourites Paul Lake & Roger Palmer

About time.

 

[citytilllidie]

I just looked at transfermarkt.... as in value, rather than cost...so maybe I was wrong, but United are well up there... in 10th... show ponies aren't cheap and don’t maintain their value it seems.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/spieler-statistik/wertvollstemannschaften/marktwertetop

This transfermarkt, Who are they?
Are they the recognised football player asset valuers?
That estimated squad value is just their opinion, but based on what?
I'm presuming a player's value is just somebody's guess.

If transfermarkt values say, Mangala at £42m, but nobody will pay the same wages as us, he's actually not worth anything.

He'll run his contract down like Gundogan said he was going to do and Milner did, and walk away for zip.
Probably most of them will, which is a problem for us and United.

Look at the Joe Hart situation.
One minute he's worth £30m to us, change of manager, high wages, lucky to get £2m.
And that's only because he didn't wait a few months for the contract to run down, but took what Burnley were offering, a massive pay cut.

United will have the same issue with most of their squad, especially Sanchez, although it won't matter much to them once this sale to the Saudi's goes through.

Liverpool and Chelsea, have proved to be 'selling' clubs, so smaller than the big two.
Players look at Liverpool as a stepping stone to a bigger club (Suarez, Sterling, Coutinho, VVD), or a final payday for a player at the end of his career (Milner).

Barcelona have the highest value squad, but where is Messi in that?
He didn't cost them anything, and he's not going anywhere, so he shouldn't have a value.
Who would know what he's worth?
You could say that about most of their squad who've come through their system.

The upshot is, that these players are only worth what someone is willing to pay, and very 'up in the air'.

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

Talkshite had the Newport striker on this morning and he only had good things to say. He got Silva's shirt, Guardiola spoke to him on the pitch after the game and they all went into City's dressing room after the game.

They also chatted about Foden and his opportunities and said he was doing the right thing staying at the club.

Safe to say he won't be invited on again........

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

This transfermarkt, Who are they?
Are they the recognised football player asset valuers?
That estimated squad value is just their opinion, but based on what?
I'm presuming a player's value is just somebody's guess.

If transfermarkt values say, Mangala at £42m, but nobody will pay the same wages as us, he's actually not worth anything.

He'll run his contract down like Gundogan said he was going to do and Milner did, and walk away for zip.
Probably most of them will, which is a problem for us and United.

Look at the Joe Hart situation.
One minute he's worth £30m to us, change of manager, high wages, lucky to get £2m.
And that's only because he didn't wait a few months for the contract to run down, but took what Burnley were offering, a massive pay cut.

United will have the same issue with most of their squad, especially Sanchez, although it won't matter much to them once this sale to the Saudi's goes through.

Liverpool and Chelsea, have proved to be 'selling' clubs, so smaller than the big two.
Players look at Liverpool as a stepping stone to a bigger club (Suarez, Sterling, Coutinho, VVD), or a final payday for a player at the end of his career (Milner).

Barcelona have the highest value squad, but where is Messi in that?
He didn't cost them anything, and he's not going anywhere, so he shouldn't have a value.
Who would know what he's worth?
You could say that about most of their squad who've come through their system.

The upshot is, that these players are only worth what someone is willing to pay, and very 'up in the air'.

Sorry matey but you have grossly mis-spelt 'players who are looking to further themselves at a big club with' 'iiiiiiiiiistory to win trophies in a midfield birth (Milner)'..........

 

[Rolee]

He'll run his contract down like Gundogan said he was going to do

He didn't say that.

 

[laserblue]

After the thick as shitness of Saunders and Harston, I'm reminded of the time we were playing a Europa League game in 2010/11 on Channel 5, and we had the "pleasure" of Chris Coleman's dulcit tones.
We had some new players, that day
Julian Lescott
Michael Richards
De Silva
Derek Boyatta

Is there something about Welsh pundits being thick as fuck (apologies to any sheep worriers on here)

Not forgetting the abortions later commentatotrs routinely made of Dzeko. Deco, Zheko, Zeko, etc.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

He didn't say that.

I agree with you on that. The headline applied turned things around, but it looked like a calm, informed opinion, and not all money-grabbing.
Maybe it's also something more common in Germany than here.

 

[JASR]

Well I wasn't expecting that reply...

This transfermarkt, Who are they?
Are they the recognised football player asset valuers?
That estimated squad value is just their opinion, but based on what?
I'm presuming a player's value is just somebody's guess.

Err, ok, I have no clue on how recognized they are, but I'd say, quite a bit, you'll find many references.
It is their opinion, yes, but it's an opinion across almost every player in the world, for many many years, and done using some statistical methodology.

If transfermarkt values say, Mangala at £42m, but nobody will pay the same wages as us, he's actually not worth anything.

Mangala for the record is currently £9m . So, yes, not much compared to what we paid for him. See last quote.

He'll run his contract down like Gundogan said he was going to do and Milner did, and walk away for zip.
Probably most of them will, which is a problem for us and United.

yes, he may be worth zip to City if he walks away at the end of the contract, but that applies to every player. A valuation is still fine. Is nothing to do with length of contracts, or inflated fees. It's what a statistical model thinks they are worth, as a player.

Look at the Joe Hart situation.
One minute he's worth £30m to us, change of manager, high wages, lucky to get £2m.

Joe Hart for the record is currently £6.3m

United will have the same issue with most of their squad, especially Sanchez, although it won't matter much to them once this sale to the Saudi's goes through.

Which is the point, it's the same for every player/team, becuase the valuation is done the same for all players/teams.
Alexis Sanchez for the record is currently £40.5m

Barcelona have the highest value squad, but where is Messi in that?

Lionel Messi for the record is currently £144m

He didn't cost them anything, and he's not going anywhere, so he shouldn't have a value.

err? It's irrelevant whether he's (currently) not going anywhere, he still has a valuation.

Who would know what he's worth?

A similar class of player, albeit 3 years older, moved recently...
Christian Ronaldo for the record is currently £90m

The upshot is, that these players are only worth what someone is willing to pay, and very 'up in the air'.

Correct, so the only way of getting a valuation and comparing them is by using a statisical model applied the same across all players.

 

[Mr.Banks]

So they have just given the football schedule on the BBC for the rest of the week on MOTD, Liverpool mentioned, final score mentioned , motd on Sat mentioned. No mention or listing of City v Shcalke.
Strange thought I, maybe they don't have the rights for it so I checked and guess what? They do!!
Gobsmacked!!
How fucking obvious is that!!

 

[Asa's Heart]

After the thick as shitness of Saunders and Harston, I'm reminded of the time we were playing a Europa League game in 2010/11 on Channel 5, and we had the "pleasure" of Chris Coleman's dulcit tones.
We had some new players, that day
Julian Lescott
Michael Richards
De Silva
Derek Boyatta

Is there something about Welsh pundits being thick as fuck (apologies to any sheep worriers on here)

There is an irony there as you have spelt Hartsons name incorrectly. Just shows lots of us can make mistakes.

 

[squirtyflower]

There is an irony there as you have spelt Hartsons name incorrectly. Just shows lots of us can make mistakes.

However I don’t believe the poster you quoted is paid a king’s ransom for his contribution to the board as a ‘football expert’ (sic)

 

[kaz7]

There is an irony there as you have spelt Hartsons name incorrectly. Just shows lots of us can make mistakes.

That makes up for him calling the players the wrong names ALL of the game including saying kev and sergio are playing? actually the last bit might have been saunders,their fuckwittery rolled into one after a bit

 

[Blue Mist]

So they have just given the football schedule on the BBC for the rest of the week on MOTD, Liverpool mentioned, final score mentioned , motd on Sat mentioned. No mention or listing of City v Shcalke.
Strange thought I, maybe they don't have the rights for it so I checked and guess what? They do!!
Gobsmacked!!
How fucking obvious is that!!

I noticed that as well, it beggars belief that they can be so biased and get away with it. To totally ignore us has to be an editorial decision, oh how they are hurting.

 

[citytilllidie]

He didn't say that.

He said he wouldn't sign anything until this contract is finished.
He might sign or he might not.

What did you think he meant by that ?

James Milner did the same

 

[citytilllidie]

Well I wasn't expecting that reply...


Err, ok, I have no clue on how recognized they are, but I'd say, quite a bit, you'll find many references.
It is their opinion, yes, but it's an opinion across almost every player in the world, for many many years, and done using some statistical methodology.


Mangala for the record is currently £9m . So, yes, not much compared to what we paid for him. See last quote.


yes, he may be worth zip to City if he walks away at the end of the contract, but that applies to every player. A valuation is still fine. Is nothing to do with length of contracts, or inflated fees. It's what a statistical model thinks they are worth, as a player.

So it is all just made up then


Joe Hart for the record is currently £6.3m

We didn't get that


Which is the point, it's the same for every player/team, becuase the valuation is done the same for all players/teams.
Alexis Sanchez for the record is currently £40.5m

United valued him at £30m when bought. So he's done well value rising by 33%

Lionel Messi for the record is currently £144m

Based on absolutely nothing

err? It's irrelevant whether he's (currently) not going anywhere, he still has a valuation.

Again, made up

A similar class of player, albeit 3 years older, moved recently...
Christian Ronaldo for the record is currently £90m


Correct, so the only way of getting a valuation and comparing them is by using a statisical model applied the same across all players.

My point was that, this statistical model means diddly.

These lads running football clubs, know what a footballer is and what he is worth, or so you would think.
They won't be looking at that stat model, that's for sure.

If say Stoke fancy a player, they'll make an enquiry. If that club want to sell, they as Stoke may be told he's £10m.
If City show an interest in the same guy, it'll be £50m.
How could there be such a difference?

We needed a right back to replace Pablo.
We go for Kyle Walker. Levy thinks, have their pants down, I want £50m
Did you really think Kyle Walker was worth £50m? Kyle Walker? The right back?
Well there was a right furore when we forked out the money.
Those cheating ****s are now buying full backs for £50m.

Look at what happened with Mahrez when we first showed an interest.
That value got blown that far away from the first quote that we pulled out.

Same happened with Fred, Jorginho, etc. the valuations for us as a buying club are ridiculous.

Barcelona lose Neymar to PSG, they need a replacement. Quick.
Lets get Coutinho from Liverpool.
Is Coutinho really worth the £140m Liverpool got?

Not on your Nelly

All I am saying is that a players value is only what someone is willing to pay, or maybe not pay.

This Transfermarkt model, is possibly a load of statistical bollocks.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Utterly embarrassing from the BBC tonight.

The most perfect example of one sided commentary since Goebbels commentated on Prison Guards v Stalag Luft III inmates.

 

[Jordie]

Utterly embarrassing from the BBC tonight.

The most perfect example of one sided commentary since Goebbels commentated on Prison Guards v Stalag Luft III inmates.

Why did Chelsea not get a pen when smalling ripped Luiz shirt in the box just before utd scored, they only briefly shown it and never brought it up again. I had to rewind and watch it again at half time and then I heard something I had missed first time, Anthony Taylor was on VAR duty.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Why did Chelsea not get a pen when smalling ripped Luiz shirt in the box just before utd scored, they only briefly shown it and never brought it up again. I had to rewind and watch it again at half time and then I heard something I had missed first time, Anthony Taylor was on VAR duty.

Not only that. The commentator said the Chelsea player was backing in to Smallthing, yet when it happened later on to a Rag player in a similar situation it was a clear foul.

Utterly biased.

 

[Jordie]

Not only that. The commentator said the Chelsea player was backing in to Smallthing, yet when it happened later on to a Rag player in a similar situation it was a clear foul.

Utterly biased.

Yes it was as biased as BT's coverage of the Newport game was pathetic.

 

[Rolee]

He said he wouldn't sign anything until this contract is finished.
He might sign or he might not.

What did you think he meant by that ?

James Milner did the same

No he didn't.