Football Leaks/Der Spiegel articles

[domalino]

I don't think the author of that understands what "public interest" means in the legal context. Fans of rival clubs and journalists being nosy doesn't constitute legal "public interest".

This is business between a private company and a sport's governing body. It's actually got fuck all to do with the public other than seeing an alleged criminal brought to justice by the proper, public, prosecuting authorities.

This is the same as the whistleblower argument.

It's my understanding that to be a whistleblwoer under UK law you have to be disclosing something illegal or the coverup of something illegal.

Breaking FFP or any UEFA rule is not a crime.

 

[Delboy352]

I have it on good authority (allegedly of course) that Collina and UEFA have been watching Face Off and Mission Impossible on a loop to get Lahoz to ref all our games...

 

[BlueDejong]

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

It will certainly up the stakes if we win the Champs League this year and make it harder to sanction us. That said I think UEFA will do anything they can to stop us winning it.

Personally, the best thing that can happen for them is us winning it. sadly.

The ultimate example and message can be conveyed by UEFA by expelling/striking City from both the record books and competition.

It gives them the perfect narrative and moral high ground to appear strong and send out a clear message to others. A bit like Brexit in that regard, don't anybody else try their luck...

It's not as if anybody else is in our corner, the sponsors won't care, the competition will continue.

The only way we win this is by legal means. I am confident, when the time calls for it, we have used these last few months to get all our ducks in a row.

We squeezed the pips last time out from UEFA by threatening action and securing our own settlement. They are now now backed into a corner and can't broker/back channel another settlement that appeases our detractors.

It is convenient for Paris that we will be the ones seen as the bad guys and held up as the poster child of challenging the status quo through the courts.

 

[Marvin]

From my point of view I think they must now be scraping the barrel of what's left in the Football Leaks barrel. I sincerely hope the leaks are now plugged.

Gradually I think the story dries up, providing the leaks have dried up.

 

[abu13]

I have wondered before, say we were kicked out of the CL next season, what would stop our owners organising a tourament where the wining team won £100 million in prize money. The criteria for initation into the tournament could be any club in Europe who is not eligible to play in one of Uefa's tournaments.

If the comp was set up on a mini league system and none of Europes elite were included then we would be odds on to win it, the fact that the competition would be open to other clubs such as Burnley, Everton and the like and they have the same opportunity of winning the pot then it could not be argued about the value of the pot being inflated as everyone has the chance to win it.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

We. took the "Pinch" last time, can't see us doing that again.

And this is the problem. The legal agreement we reached over FFP last time suited both parties. UEFA knew that FFP was legally flawed and couldn't risk a challenge, City knew there was no point because we were almost sustainable by then. But the world has changed and now we have the spectre of a potential world club tournament ro rival the CL and the Sheikh is one of the backers of this project. The stakes have been upped and a legal battle may be the only way forward.

 

[BlueDejong]

http://josimarfootball.com/dirty-john-the-dark-side-of-rui-pinto/

 

[waspish]

http://josimarfootball.com/dirty-john-the-dark-side-of-rui-pinto/

Wonder how much he got from those bitter g14 clubs

 

[razman]

The articles states that it seems fa / uefa / premier league not bothered

Below an extract

So you would imagine football’s governing bodies would be all over this, right? Teams of investigators trawling through the emails, contracts and presentations that Pinto has said repeatedly, most recently at the beginning of last month in an interview with Der Spiegel, the German news magazine, that he would gladly share. Apparently not. Nothing from Fifa. Nothing from Uefa. Nothing from the Football Association. Nothing from the Premier League.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

While all these ace sleuths are copying-and-pasting Der Spiegel articles, adding their own piss and wind along the way, I understand that the Belgian courts have quietly re-heard the case against FFP after the ECJ sent it back to them. A ruling is expected soon and Dupont is quietly confident that it went well.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

The articles states that it seems fa / uefa / premier league not bothered

Below an extract

So you would imagine football’s governing bodies would be all over this, right? Teams of investigators trawling through the emails, contracts and presentations that Pinto has said repeatedly, most recently at the beginning of last month in an interview with Der Spiegel, the German news magazine, that he would gladly share. Apparently not. Nothing from Fifa. Nothing from Uefa. Nothing from the Football Association. Nothing from the Premier League.

Because it would be a waste of their time. All they'd get is, inadmissible your honour.

 

[Andrew___K]

I have wondered before, say we were kicked out of the CL next season, what would stop our owners organising a tourament where the wining team won £100 million in prize money.

It's been discussed thousand times on this board. They are already working on it. In fact, the future global tournament is one of the main causes of the war between groups supporting Infantino and the Cartel. Hence the leaks and all this dirt about us and FIFA president.

https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/uae-behind-rival-to-cl.333974/
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/sports/fifa-softbank.html
http://www.redcafe.net/threads/fifa...am-club-world-cup.438580/page-2#post-22533645
Etc.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

http://josimarfootball.com/dirty-john-the-dark-side-of-rui-pinto/

That's a great piece of journalism which sheds a lot of light on the man behind Football Leaks and the Der Spiegel allegations. Don't expect to see any of this in the British media though. It may well be that UEFA can't do anything till they know the result of the criminal investigation. If Pinto is convicted of blackmail/extortion it will undermine any action taken relating to the Der Spiegel coverage.
It also confirms that City are doing the right thing by "saying nothing" whatever clowns like Matthew Syed thinks. It also shows how far the Britiish media is behind on the story as usual just like they were on the Fifa and UEFA corruption cases which were mostly revealed in the USA.

 

[cleavers]

I have wondered before, say we were kicked out of the CL next season, what would stop our owners organising a tourament where the wining team won £100 million in prize money.

We'd probably get kicked out of the PL for doing anything like that.

 

[aguero93:20]

While all these ace sleuths are copying-and-pasting Der Spiegel articles, adding their own piss and wind along the way, I understand that the Belgian courts have quietly re-heard the case against FFP after the ECJ sent it back to them. A ruling is expected soon and Dupont is quietly confident that it went well.

Interesting. Keep us updated.

 

[M18CTID]

We'd probably get kicked out of the PL for doing anything like that.

In typical City fashion we'd probably get kicked out of our own competition!

 

[ancoats]

if its that easy to hack clubs documents and steal them ??? then how easy would it be to plant something into their systems and make it stick

how can you take somebody word that he is a hacker and done football clubs records and knows the dodgy dealings, when it could be just planted there for that reason and could be fake, so anybody that believes any truths the hackers finds are 100% true ?? then remember in a court of law you have to prove them to be true, because you have become a criminal in hacking somebodies system and all the pointless headlines because of just that its CRIMINAL HACKING ??

any court in the world would be daft to take on such a case unless one of the big criminal investigator like the FBI or MI5 have done it ?? then why UEFA/FIFA are doing so much moaning about somebody who is a hacker knowing it would not stand up in a court of law, anybody found guilty by uefa or fifa should be taking them to court because it sounds like they believe the HACKERS story

 

[rowarta]

Football Leaks: Suspected hacker to be extradited to Portugal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47457449

 

[Newman Noggs]

Thanks NN,I suspected as much.
Is there a legal test as to what is / can be public interest in legal cases or is it down to the determination of legal counsel or the court?

Not as far as I am aware. I work for a large government department that takes legal proceedings "in the public interest". Whilst I can say that some activity is "not in the public interest", only a Court can decide if I am right. To convince the Court I have to prove that there is some sort of "risk" to the public at large. That might include a risk to business in general.

The idea that a football club's potential breach of spurious financial regulations set down by one of the game's regulatory body might be a "public interest" matter is preposterous.

I think that what this person is suggesting is that UEFA should be bringing proceedings against us because there's a lot of interest amongst people interested in football and, presumably, regardless of the possibility of success. It's an argument, but a bad one.

The prosecution of the allleged criminal hacker would, of course, be of public interest, which is why it would, rightly, be tried in open Court.