Football Leaks/Der Spiegel articles

MillionMilesAway said:
- the two mentioned PL cases are those relating to Christensen and Sancho (he describes the Sancho 'agent' as a FFP dodge, which I don't think is right, but that bit seems as if it's tacked on for the heck of it - the emphasis is on the authorities not bothering)
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Not sure how he can say that without knowing how it was accounted for.

Pretty sure youth scouting isn't exempt from FFP calculations so whether it's accounted for as agent fees or youth scouting it all counts.
 
domalino said:
This is the same as the whistleblower argument.

It's my understanding that to be a whistleblwoer under UK law you have to be disclosing something illegal or the coverup of something illegal.

Breaking FFP or any UEFA rule is not a crime.
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Essentially, yes. A bit of a red herring in relation to this but also note that "a disclosure of information is not a qualifying disclosure if the person making the disclosure commits an offence by making it"
 
moomba said:
Not sure how he can say that without knowing how it was accounted for.

Pretty sure youth scouting isn't exempt from FFP calculations so whether it's accounted for as agent fees or youth scouting it all counts.
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That was my take. It's naff all to do with FFP, and he's got his wires crossed. He should have just left it at "may be against FA rules on youth players and agents" - that would have been correct as I understand it.

Otherwise, it was quite a reasonable piece on "why aren't the authorities doing anything".

Of course, journalists of any quality would then write the "because...." rejoinder article explaining why. Cunningham isn't one.
 
So it turns out dirty John is nothing more than a blackmailer and a shit one at that.
He's managed to hang on to €17K after initially successfully embezzling €350K into his Deutsch Lisbon account. I presume the company in question who agreed to the return of 1/2 the sum he stole with no further action were that fucking embarrassed they didn't want to continue with any prosecution.
He is of course now claiming that he did it all for football fans having been caught out by the authorities in an attempt to legitimise his blackmail by getting the companies in question to sign an agreement to transfer funds to him over 10 years on the return of the material. My take is he stole the emails because he could in the hope there was something juicy in there he could extort money for. Once he realised there was no way he could do that and get any with it he tried to get rid of it to Football Leaks and Der Spiegel. It shows a pattern of failed extortion and attempts to cover his arse by returning monies etc
I hope the Portuguese authorities nail him to the wall the ****.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
While all these ace sleuths are copying-and-pasting Der Spiegel articles, adding their own piss and wind along the way, I understand that the Belgian courts have quietly re-heard the case against FFP after the ECJ sent it back to them. A ruling is expected soon and Dupont is quietly confident that it went well.
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Oh please let it happen
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
While all these ace sleuths are copying-and-pasting Der Spiegel articles, adding their own piss and wind along the way, I understand that the Belgian courts have quietly re-heard the case against FFP after the ECJ sent it back to them. A ruling is expected soon and Dupont is quietly confident that it went well.
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Are there any fresh news in the press on this case? Can't find anything.
 
I've just come off a very interesting video chat with Jonathan Northcroft of the Sunday Times about all this under the auspices of Man City Fan TV. He's as cynical as me about FFP but I think I made some inroads about his view of the whole FFP thing and City's position particularly. And I'm off the XS Manchester studio to talk about FFP tonight from 6-7
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I've just come off a very interesting video chat with Jonathan Northcroft of the Sunday Times about all this under the auspices of Man City Fan TV. He's as cynical as me about FFP but I think I made some inroads about his view of the whole FFP thing and City's position particularly. And I'm off the XS Manchester studio to talk about FFP tonight from 6-7
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Good luck.
 
I do wonder if in the course of the investigation into football leaks whether it will emerge that Mr. Pinto was simply attempting to blackmail clubs or agents with his information or was he a hired gun.

If he was hired, who did the hiring?
 
I honestly believe we are the only fanbase in the UK that has a real handle on what FFP actually means and all its composite parts in relation to its allowances and loopholes. Whenever I question fans of other clubs they are genuinely astonished when I tell them that its not against the rules for an owner to fund a company by whatever means who is sponsoring any club as long as it is the company who fork out the sponsorship money and the sponsorship passes the appropriate tests of "fair value" if necessary and doesn't have to pass that test if its not a "related party" and the owner has no controlling interest of that company. More importantly none related companies have no obligation to show UEFA or anybody else their "books" and don't have to explain where their money came from.

It seems obvious we may have taken advantage of some of these rules in the early phases of FFP but that was MCFC 6 - 7 years ago and they still ensured we failed the break even test and were duly punished & fined. Our AD sponsorships now make up approx 13 - 15% in number and value I believe.

Give them both barrels PB
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
While all these ace sleuths are copying-and-pasting Der Spiegel articles, adding their own piss and wind along the way, I understand that the Belgian courts have quietly re-heard the case against FFP after the ECJ sent it back to them. A ruling is expected soon and Dupont is quietly confident that it went well.
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Who is it that is challenging the legality of FFP ?
 
Kinkys Left Foot said:
I honestly believe we are the only fanbase in the UK that has a real handle on what FFP actually means and all its composite parts in relation to its allowances and loopholes. Whenever I question fans of other clubs they are genuinely astonished when I tell them that its not against the rules for an owner to fund a company by whatever means who is sponsoring any club as long as it is the company who fork out the sponsorship money and the sponsorship passes the appropriate tests of "fair value" if necessary and doesn't have to pass that test if its not a "related party" and the owner has no controlling interest of that company. More importantly none related companies have no obligation to show UEFA or anybody else their "books" and don't have to explain where their money came from.

It seems obvious we may have taken advantage of some of these rules in the early phases of FFP but that was MCFC 6 - 7 years ago and they still ensured we failed the break even test and were duly punished & fined. Our AD sponsorships now make up approx 13 - 15% in number and value I believe.

Give them both barrels PB
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Yep - even a lot of fans of other clubs that have fallen foul of FFP rules in the Championship don't seem to have a grasp of the regs. Then again, a lot of our fans don't either. However, I believe those of us who do have a better knowledge of FFP than any other set of fans in the country. Not to mention all the dickhead journalists who have no idea either, which is more damaging because many football fans will believe anything they write.

Regarding owner investment and how a company funds a sponsorship deal not being under UEFA's remit when it comes to the FFP regs, I had that exact same discussion on Twitter last night with a Gooner and he didn't have a clue. When I asked him to explain which part of the FFP regs the hacked e-mails contravene he couldn't give me an answer so started spouting off about our owner laundering money through the club. When I told him that it's nobody's business where Etihad get their money from and the state of Abu Dhabi is perfectly entitled to bail out the company to help it meet it's financial obligations - one of which is their sponsorship with City - he agreed that this is perfectly acceptable business practice but claimed it was wrong to extend this to paying City our sponsorship money under the agreed contract! He also claimed that our Etihad deal was overvalued by £200 million so I asked him if that was the case then why didn't UEFA have an issue with it. He tried to use Arsenal's Emirates deal as a comparison so I explained that the original Emirates deal was signed in 2004, 7 years before the original Etihad deal was signed. So then he claimed he was talking about the renewed deal they signed in 2012, saying it was half the value of the Etihad deal. I couldn't be arsed fact checking that and just let it go, but I did tell him that if that was the case then they must have shit negotiators or Gazidis got them a wank deal on purpose because he's a City fan! A bit facetious I know but he fucking deserved it, just as the **** deserved telling that City's money is cleaner that Danny Fiszman's ever was!
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I've just come off a very interesting video chat with Jonathan Northcroft of the Sunday Times about all this under the auspices of Man City Fan TV. He's as cynical as me about FFP but I think I made some inroads about his view of the whole FFP thing and City's position particularly. And I'm off the XS Manchester studio to talk about FFP tonight from 6-7
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Good to see that Mr. Northcroft is engaging with City fans and our resident FFP expert in particular. It can only help when journalists understand City’s views on FFP.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
While all these ace sleuths are copying-and-pasting Der Spiegel articles, adding their own piss and wind along the way, I understand that the Belgian courts have quietly re-heard the case against FFP after the ECJ sent it back to them. A ruling is expected soon and Dupont is quietly confident that it went well.
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Good news. Let's hope it goes in our favour. By us, I mean every fan of a non G14/16 club.
 
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