Football Leaks/Der Spiegel articles

[OB1]

It doesn't matter if it was an error in etiquette, it's something we can tailor to suit.

Well, UEFA cannot check Mansour or his boss's bank accounts. What happens in AD is entirely beyond UEFA's reach.

 

[M18CTID]

No arguments from me, and just to stress that I haven’t said we will be banned, merely that that will be UEFA’s (or rather the cartel’s) preferred outcome

Yeah, no worries mate. Guessing it'll be coming from the cartel more than anything

 

[M18CTID]

But FFP isn't law, it is the rules of a competition signed up to by the participants and hence more like a contract, so the rules of admissibility in court of law don't apply. Hence, UEFA themselves decide what is admissable or not. UEFA's decision could be challenged in CAS but that is an arbitration service not a law court so who knows?

The only way this ends up in the law courts is if someone challenges the very basis of FFP under competition law (and the emails wouldn't have any bearing on that) - which is what UEFA are probably most worried about because you never know how things like that are going to be judged. Hence, they probably want to try and make this go away (to protect FFP) whilst somehow being seen to be giving City a smack on the wrist. Not easy and probably the reason why we are hearing nothing at the moment.

True, but if said hacker is found guilty of stealing information and extortion/blackmail to boot then surely UEFA will look a right bunch of twats if they decide to act on information provided by a criminal convicted of offences relating to that information.

And on that particular note, I'm admittedly no expert so perhaps someone can clarify, but I'd guess that now he has been arrested and is in the process of being extradited to face charges I'd have thought that any media outlet continuing to run with stories pertaining to these e-mails - be it to do with City or whoever else - would be prohibited from doing so?

 

[ancoats]

But FFP isn't law, it is the rules of a competition signed up to by the participants and hence more like a contract, so the rules of admissibility in court of law don't apply. Hence, UEFA themselves decide what is admissable or not. UEFA's decision could be challenged in CAS but that is an arbitration service not a law court so who knows?

The only way this ends up in the law courts is if someone challenges the very basis of FFP under competition law (and the emails wouldn't have any bearing on that) - which is what UEFA are probably most worried about because you never know how things like that are going to be judged. Hence, they probably want to try and make this go away (to protect FFP) whilst somehow being seen to be giving City a smack on the wrist. Not easy and probably the reason why we are hearing nothing at the moment.

same thing its stolen information ??? and should be looked on as crap unless somebody from a uefa are in on it as well and knowing its bullshit, but shit sticks when you have a fan base that believe in every word according to the gospels at the red media scum

 

[razman]

Are we a football club or the Trump campaign ;)

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Are we a football club or the Trump campaign ;)

Martin Lipton. The cnut's cnut. He's called us cheats about a thousand times since the first Der Spiegel article came out. He loves it. Right up there with the Custis clan

 

[aguero93:20]

Are we a football club or the Trump campaign ;)

Correction:
Manchester City could in future be investigated by football’s four key governing bodies if they break any rules. The FA, Premier League, UEFA and FIFA are deciding whether to investigate different cases if rules are shown to have been broken.

 

[Gordyola]

But FFP isn't law, it is the rules of a competition signed up to by the participants and hence more like a contract, so the rules of admissibility in court of law don't apply. Hence, UEFA themselves decide what is admissable or not. UEFA's decision could be challenged in CAS but that is an arbitration service not a law court so who knows?

The only way this ends up in the law courts is if someone challenges the very basis of FFP under competition law (and the emails wouldn't have any bearing on that) - which is what UEFA are probably most worried about because you never know how things like that are going to be judged. Hence, they probably want to try and make this go away (to protect FFP) whilst somehow being seen to be giving City a smack on the wrist. Not easy and probably the reason why we are hearing nothing at the moment.

UEFA will be very cautious in using illegally obtained information, ultimately an injunction could be served by City, regardless of who makes the rules, once served a judge will need to decide what's next Even more so now that the guy is being extradited

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Well, UEFA cannot check Mansour or his boss's bank accounts. What happens in AD is entirely beyond UEFA's reach.

How savvy are you on legal machinations? If, for the sake of argument, UEFA decided to ban us and we then responded by trying to take FFP down in a Court of Law, would they be obliged to reinstate us into the Chimps League if we prevailed? Also, would there be legal precedent for us claiming that FFP is unfair at all, given that we effectively accepted the terms and conditions of it by paying our fine in 2014, and what might be in scope in terms of damages were we to win our case? I'm just wondering what the potential outcomes might be.

 

[waspish]

Whats the premier league investigating?

 

[aguero93:20]

Whats the premier league investigating?

Potential chief executives.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Whats the premier league investigating?

There's little firm evidence that UEFA is actually investigating anything.

 

[Jazzman]

There's little firm evidence that UEFA is actually investigating anything.

What there is evidence about is that an army of journalists (so called) are trying to talk investigations into materialising. They really wish for a way of taking City down.

 

[Salford_Blue]

70 million documents and all these "journalists" can print is regurgitated stuff solely relating to City.

Nothing else pique your interest guys and gals?

Not one document about any other club or organisation that you could "hang you hat on", and get an exclusive?


I strongly suspect many haven't even read anything else leaked by DS, other than the limited papers relating to City.

Is it too much of a leap of faith/hypothesis/conspiracy theory to suggest that they are only bothered with the City stuff as...(drum roll)...it generates clicks and income???

 

[Centurions]

70 million documents and all these "journalists" can print is regurgitated stuff solely relating to City.

Nothing else pique your interest guys and gals?

Not one document about any other club or organisation that you could "hang you hat on", and get an exclusive?


I strongly suspect many haven't even read anything else leaked by DS, other than the limited papers relating to City.

Is it too much of a leap of faith/hypothesis/conspiracy theory to suggest that they are only bothered with the City stuff as...(drum roll)...it generates clicks and income???

I saw somewhere that the 70 million documents are just the ones they've been looking at, there's actually 3 times that number in total of allegedly stolen documents.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

I saw somewhere that the 70 million documents are just the ones they've been looking at, there's actually 3 times that number in total of allegedly stolen documents.

Manchester City ruining the volume of emails sent competition since....

 

[blueparrot]

I saw somewhere that the 70 million documents are just the ones they've been looking at, there's actually 3 times that number in total of allegedly stolen documents.

Is it even possible to look at 70 million documents unless you just scan them for key words or something ? Not sure where you would even start. if there were a 100 clubs involved it would be 700,000 documents for each club doesn't sound right to me.

 

[M18CTID]

70 million documents and all these "journalists" can print is regurgitated stuff solely relating to City.

Nothing else pique your interest guys and gals?

Not one document about any other club or organisation that you could "hang you hat on", and get an exclusive?


I strongly suspect many haven't even read anything else leaked by DS, other than the limited papers relating to City.

Is it too much of a leap of faith/hypothesis/conspiracy theory to suggest that they are only bothered with the City stuff as...(drum roll)...it generates clicks and income???

Well there's been other snippets such as the Ramos doping allegations (sensationalist bollocks), the Ronaldo rape stuff (which his lawyers say was fabricated material), a few bits about PSG, something about Pogba's move to United (which, if true, might involve breaking tax laws which is far worse than any alleged FFP breach), and something about Wolves. Plus long before the City stuff broke, didn't this hacker originally focus his attention on some of the big Portuguese clubs? (I'm not sure DS themselves ran with that though). So much so that he's now skriking that Benfica fans want to kill him.

However, the vast majority of the ire from DS has most definitely been aimed at City and only a deluded fucktard would claim that this isn't an orchestrated attack on our club. As you say, surely there must be loads of other material on other clubs that hasn't been disclosed yet they keep re-hashing their anti-City stories.

 

[Gary James]

I see that @Ric and @Gary James are having it out with Duncan “The Empty” Castles and Nick “It” Harris on Twitter about DS’ constant targeted “analysis” and “leak” drip and their sycophantic coverage of it.

Well done to you both.

Though, you may want to save your energy and reallocate your time, as it is like playing tennis with a stone wall (and both of them are about as intelligent as one, as well).

Thanks for the comments and support (all City fans and others who have been in touch). I’m not going to get into it too much but suffice to say my credibility as an academic historian has been questioned and tweets have been posted which are completely untrue about my stance. I have also received direct messages via twitter from one of these journalists who has been quite insulting. Personally, my stance is and always has been clear - I want facts, evidence, transparency and triangulation of sources/material, together with a proper investigation process BEFORE I pass judgement. I’d have expected the media to want the same but instead some have made their minds up based on leaked material etc. without proper investigation. My views are consistent with the British legal system and it stuns me that some in the media have given me abuse simply because I want proper process to be followed.

The twitter stuff got to me quite a bit. I’d post a perfectly reasonable comment about reaching a verdict after a proper legal/governing body investigation and then I’d get a message saying I’d claimed the Daily Mail was biased (I’ve never claimed anything like that) and that everyone was anti-City....then it was said that I’d probably been on expenses paid trips to Abu Dhabi etc. - thereby making my credibility and impartiality seem something that could be bought [incidentally I’ve never been outside of Europe or North America and have certainly not been on any kind of all expenses paid trip). I could go on (read the thread on twitter if you want to see what was said in public - unbelievable). I’m not going to engage in discussion again with one of the journalists, there’s no point. As a historian I want the truth, arrived at via properly controlled processes, not a guilty verdict reached by a tabloid journalist based on leaked information. I think Der Spiegel made a huge own goal by publishing a factual error in the opening para of their opening article - it was something that could easily have been corrected - and while I have no idea how much or little of their stories are true (again proper process needed) I do think that basic checking couldn’t possibly have been done because if it had the historical error would’ve been corrected, but then again I’d like to reserve judgement on that until a proper investigation is carried out - if deemed necessary by the legal system or a governing body.

 

[aguero93:20]

Is it even possible to look at 70 million documents unless you just scan them for key words or something ? Not sure where you would even start. if there were a 100 clubs involved it would be 700,000 documents for each club doesn't sound right to me.

CTRL+F, type Manchester City. Problem solved. They'd have no interest in the rest of it anyway, even if it showed the rags had been hiding Nazi war criminals.