VAR (PL introduction 2019)

ancoats said:
again VAR will be used by the officials for hand ball and any sort of handball ??? it is now open to the officials in a video room in slow motion to pin point ball to hand and even if you can not get out of the way its a foul ????

this is just daft and wrong and god help defending when a player crosses the ball and your hands are not behind you back ?????

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47429316

Goals scored or created with the use of an accidental handball will not stand from next season onwards, the International FA Board (Ifab) have confirmed.
The changes mean that a free-kick will be awarded when a goal or clear chance occurs from a handball. Ifab technical director David Elleray explained the changes at their AGM in Aberdeen. "Deliberate handball remains an offence," Elleray stressed.

"In the past we've managed to improve the laws by focusing on outcome rather than intent. "What we are looking at particularly in attacking situations is where the player gets a clear unfair advantage by gaining possession or control of the ball, as a result of it making contact with their hand or arm."

So what has changed?
The changes mean gaining control or possession and then scoring as a consequence of handling the ball will not be allowed - neither will a goal scored directly from handling the ball, regardless of intent.

Another change to the laws of the game means that if the player's arms extend beyond a "natural silhouette", handball will be given, even if it is perceived as accidental.
Elleray says this is an effort to put an end to defenders placing their arms behind their backs in fear of giving away a free-kick.
"We've changed it to say the body has a certain silhouette," said Elleray. "If the arms are extended beyond that silhouette then the body is being made unnaturally bigger, with the purpose of it being a bigger barrier to the opponent or the ball.

"Players should be allowed to have their arms by their side because it's their natural silhouette."
In other changes approved by Ifab, substitutes will have to leave the pitch at the nearest goalline or touchline instead of walking to their technical area in a bid to stop time wasting.

Additional approved law changes included measures to deal with attacking players causing problems in the defensive wall, giving a dropped ball in certain situations when the ball hits the referee and the goalkeeper only being required to have one foot on the line at a penalty kick.
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Total fucking lunacy
 
ancoats said:
that's bollocks we all know why know premier league officials are not being used and its because they are shit
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Nationality nor competition show any marked improvement in the performance of referees. There are questions raised after nigh on every performance. Example: Did we ever get an explanation from anywhere, or a suggestion made in the RDAHMeedya, that the referee who obliged us to retake THAT throw-in?
 
Last nights match showed us just how fucking ridiculous the system and its implementation are. Why even bother with a ref on the pitch when a faceless entity off the field can overrule them?

Make the game less bent?
Clear and obvious errors?
Won't slow the game down?
Stop big clubs getting 'favourable' decisions?

Well none of that seems to be happening so far. In fact the exact opposite of those reasons is happening.
From now on we can look forward to players smashing the ball towards a crowded box at every opportunity in the hope it will hit a hand or arm. Follow that with players screaming at the ref for var reviews at every opportunity or goal.

It would seem that the powers that be have managed to invent time travel and can now go back quicker than a De Lorean.
 
Just to be clear, these are the current FIFA rules on handball:

Handling the ball

Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm. The following must be considered:

• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand) --> Elbow did not move toward the ball, player & body/elbow turning away from flight of ball
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence --> Clearly at issue here


This section is key where VAR comes into play:

The VAR can ‘check’ the footage in normal speed and/or in slow motion but, in general, slow motion replays should only be used for facts, e.g. position of offence/player, point of contact for physical offences and handball, ball out of play (including goal/no goal); normal speed should be used for the ‘intensity’ of an offence or to decide if a handball was ‘deliberate’


So VAR was used, was the decision that it was deliberate formulated from watching it in slow motion? Because in real time it certainly does not look like the player is moving toward the path of the ball or having his elbow/arm extended in a deliberate fashion to make contact
 
FCBarca said:
Just to be clear, these are the current FIFA rules on handball:

Handling the ball

Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm. The following must be considered:

• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand) --> Elbow did not move toward the ball, player & body/elbow turning away from flight of ball
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence --> Clearly at issue here


This section is key where VAR comes into play:

The VAR can ‘check’ the footage in normal speed and/or in slow motion but, in general, slow motion replays should only be used for facts, e.g. position of offence/player, point of contact for physical offences and handball, ball out of play (including goal/no goal); normal speed should be used for the ‘intensity’ of an offence or to decide if a handball was ‘deliberate’


So VAR was used, was the decision that it was deliberate formulated from watching it in slow motion? Because in real time it certainly does not look like the player is moving toward the path of the ball or having his elbow/arm extended in a deliberate fashion to make contact
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I've not seen the whole VAR process from last night but this is what infuriated me about the Otamendi one. It takes one view in slow motion to see its hit the arm so why are they watching it in slow motion over and over again. It needs a clear checklist procedure like they have in cricket, use slowmo to check the contact and then watch it in real time.
 
Did anyone see the late penalty appeal by Roma against Porto?

The guy had his ankles clipped in the box, but it looked accidental. Is this the type of case that VAR can overrule if it deemed as such?
 
FCBarca said:
Just to be clear, these are the current FIFA rules on handball:

Handling the ball

Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm. The following must be considered:

• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand) --> Elbow did not move toward the ball, player & body/elbow turning away from flight of ball
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence --> Clearly at issue here


This section is key where VAR comes into play:

The VAR can ‘check’ the footage in normal speed and/or in slow motion but, in general, slow motion replays should only be used for facts, e.g. position of offence/player, point of contact for physical offences and handball, ball out of play (including goal/no goal); normal speed should be used for the ‘intensity’ of an offence or to decide if a handball was ‘deliberate’


So VAR was used, was the decision that it was deliberate formulated from watching it in slow motion? Because in real time it certainly does not look like the player is moving toward the path of the ball or having his elbow/arm extended in a deliberate fashion to make contact
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Last nights to me looked like one they would give next season, but htf was it given under the current rules for this season, really didn't see any movement towards the ball. Yes he made himself bigger in the jump and shithouse turn, but their was no arm movement towards the ball.
 
hello said:
Last nights to me looked like one they would give next season, but htf was it given under the current rules for this season, really didn't see any movement towards the ball. Yes he made himself bigger in the jump and shithouse turn, but their was no arm movement towards the ball.
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I genuinely watched it and thought in the end the "shithouse turn" was him trying to avoid getting hit by a ball that was flying over the bar and would have resulted in a goal kick and game over.
 
It’s already very clear that VAR is intended to help the old money clubs. Schalke’s Penalties against us and the rag penalty last night is all the proof that’s needed. It’s abothe obstacle to us winning.
 
sheepskin_tearaway said:
It’s already very clear that VAR is intended to help the old money clubs. Schalke’s Penalties against us and the rag penalty last night is all the proof that’s needed. It’s abothe obstacle to us winning.
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It certainly looks that way. Until VAR is used to overturn a decision in the event of an innocuous ball to hand incident and give a catastrophic decision against one of the "old money clubs" (this season before the mooted rule change comes in) then I am very sceptical indeed. On the surface you'd say VAR would make it more difficult to stitch teams up but I suppose if they're going to use it to sift through the minutest things at ultra slow mo and then use that footage to give pens that more or less everyone agrees shouldn't be a pen then it is potentially a fantastic tool for manipulating things. I mean that incident last night was so innocuous so who even knows if a similar incident happened last night even in the same game that just wasn't slow mo replayed on TV and the video person just chose not to flag up to the ref? There is so much scope for manipulation there it is frightening.
 
stonerblue said:
Total fucking lunacy
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i seen it coming with VAR and handball ??? Letting loose the lunatics wasn't the greatest of ideas ??

VAR will just be another tool for the so called big team to use and give advantage over a team that does not lick ass of uefa or fifa, PSG and manchester city last week was punished for handball when clearly was not in a million years HANDBALL, its cost PSG their place in the next round and it could also cost manchester city and funny both clubs are under the FFP rulings ??? something fishy YOU FUCKING BELIEVE IT'S fishy

united are a million miles off last 8 of champions league quality, yes they shown fight but got lucky twice ?? but the pen was shocking and from now on every club and game in champions league is going to be a joke for defenders and dare you jump for a header or block a shot if you have your arms down and turning you back ???

VAR was not put in place for this and the rules was for clear and obvious mistake by the referee who is seeing it live and when city and PSG got punished for handball the referee give a corner knowing it was just about impossible to get out of the way in real time, but VAR over turned it on a slow motion video clip and like last night every review of the clip was in slow motion and the ref was told to give it

forget manchester city ever winning the champions league now they have VAR in place ?? they can now control the results as well as running a football club, and for me its pointless even playing in the competition if somebody in a studio miles away can over turn the officials at the game live, its gone to far already and its only the first round of the champions league ???? it might as well be a game of Fifa football on a playstation or Xbox and let somebody else play the game

its a simple fix for me don't use VAR for handball unless its clear and obvious mistake and cheating by the player, like if his arm is up in the air and knowing he is trying to get advantage and you can see it a mile off when a player is cheating and doing a hand ball to stop the ball


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why was the pen given and no yellow or red card shown if its stop a clear chance ?? i think both city and PSG shocking VAR pens ?? the ball was not on target anyway, and did not once did the players made the attempt to put his arm to the ball, in city case otamendi was moving it away and trying to get out of the way ????
 
Salford_Blue said:
Did anyone see the late penalty appeal by Roma against Porto?

The guy had his ankles clipped in the box, but it looked accidental. Is this the type of case that VAR can overrule if it deemed as such?
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Yeah wasn’t clear and obvious so they didn’t over rule the ref on the pitch. (I didn’t see it, I’m parroting ESPC FC who were talking about it)
 
SWP's back said:
Yeah wasn’t clear and obvious so they didn’t over rule the ref on the pitch. (I didn’t see it, I’m parroting ESPC FC who were talking about it)
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Bang goes the consistency then because that decision for united was a million miles away from clear and obvious error.
 
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