west didsblue
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Lying by public figures used to be a big deal. No one seems to give a shit any more.
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Theresa May
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nmc
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Lying by public figures used to be a big deal. No one seems to give a shit any more.
She claimed categoric assurances that her own Attorney General has contradicted.
Neville Kneville
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Car Crash Croaker
Lancet Fluke
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Obviously she’s utterly fucking demented but I still can’t work out whether she’s absolutely clueless with it and losing control of everything or whether she’s a master strategist who is always a few steps ahead of everyone else. The number of times she does things that look like crazy errors of judgement and then before you know it the error gives her shitty deal a glimmer of hope.
Obviously she’s utterly fucking demented but I still can’t work out whether she’s absolutely clueless with it and losing control of everything or whether she’s a master strategist who is always a few steps ahead of everyone else. The number of times she does things that look like crazy errors of judgement and then before you know it the error gives her shitty deal a glimmer of hope.
She's put all her eggs in the basket that is "Her Deal v No Deal" at the 11th hour. It might work, but only if she can engineer the situation where those are the only choices.
Lancet Fluke
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But it’s that engineering process that sometimes baffles me. Everything that happens that looks like she’s lost at some point later looks like it might help her deal. But I suppose the point is that you have no deal MPs obstructing her deal on one side, remain obstructing it on the other and her deal in the middle. So almost anything she does, no matter how comical, has the effect of pushing one side further away but pulling the other side closer. But it’s that pulling one side closer to voting for her deal that was confusing me into thinking it might all be part of an incredible strategy. So she’s not an evil genius, she’s just evil.She's put all her eggs in the basket that is "Her Deal v No Deal" at the 11th hour. It might work, but only if she can engineer the situation where those are the only choices.
Chippy_boy
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I think she's simply lost the plot. She's so hung up on her deal being the only way forward, she's stopped asking the fundamental questions about whether it's actually what people want, to which the obvious answer is of course not. I posted on the Brexit thread that in a YouGov poll of 25,000 voters, they concluded that out of 632 constituencies, 2, yes 2, would be in favour of May's deal.
She's a buffoon.
She's a buffoon.
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blueinsa
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In fairness to the PM and she is without doubt, a remain EU sycophant, she clings to her deal like a fly to a turd because as we are constantly told, its the only deal in town and the only deal the EU will agree to so not too sure what people want from her in terms of another deal?
Its like Corbyn and co saying they will get cross party support for another deal. The EU have said there wont be any other deal.
Such a fucking shit show right now although in a sadistic way its great to watch.
Its like Corbyn and co saying they will get cross party support for another deal. The EU have said there wont be any other deal.
Such a fucking shit show right now although in a sadistic way its great to watch.
Chippy_boy
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There's bits of the above I agree with, but other bits not.In fairness to the PM and she is without doubt, a remain EU sycophant, she clings to her deal like a fly to a turd because as we are constantly told, its the only deal in town and the only deal the EU will agree to so not too sure what people want from her in terms of another deal?
Its like Corbyn and co saying they will get cross party support for another deal. The EU have said there wont be any other deal.
Such a fucking shit show right now although in a sadistic way its great to watch.
As far as I can tell, the EU have said no more tweaks to her deal, but I am not sure that ANY other sort of deal is out of the question. Were she to give in on her red lines and accept customs union membership, for example, then the NI and associated backstop problem goes away and many variations might be possible.
(I don't advocate this, BTW - what's the point - might as well stay in.)
She's simply an arrogant, thick-skinned, stubborn, un-listening **** imo. How the fuck she ever become PM is quite beyond me. I called it out that she was utterly shite, donkeys years ago.
gordondaviesmoustache
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I'm not sure she is, instinctively speaking.In fairness to the PM and she is without doubt, a remain EU sycophant
Lancet Fluke
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I'm sure she isn't. Yesterday with her decision to whip against her own motion proved to me without any doubt that she would rather no deal than no brexit. It shouldn't have shocked me to have confirmation that that is the position of our dreadful PM but it still has.I'm not sure she is, instinctively speaking.
George Hannah
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It wasn't her motion - it was amended, do keep up.I'm sure she isn't. Yesterday with her decision to whip against her own motion proved to me without any doubt that she would rather no deal than no brexit. It shouldn't have shocked me to have confirmation that that is the position of our PM but it still has.
Lancet Fluke
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Still, she wasn’t prepared to whip her party to get behind her motion and as soon as her motion was amended to make it a bit more “against no deal” she eagerly whipped against it. No doubt in my mind, she would rather no deal than no Brexit.It wasn't her motion - it was amended, do keep up.
George Hannah
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After the poisoned deal inflicted on her by our friendly EU partners it's not surprising.Still, she wasn’t prepared to whip her party to get behind her motion and as soon as her motion was amended to make it a bit more “against no deal” she eagerly whipped against it. No doubt in my mind, she would rather no deal than no Brexit.
In fairness to the PM and she is without doubt, a remain EU sycophant, she clings to her deal like a fly to a turd because as we are constantly told, its the only deal in town and the only deal the EU will agree to so not too sure what people want from her in terms of another deal?
Its like Corbyn and co saying they will get cross party support for another deal. The EU have said there wont be any other deal.
Such a fucking shit show right now although in a sadistic way its great to watch.
It doesn't add up mate. If she's such a remain EU sycophant why didn't she go cross party from the start and negotiate a soft Brexit? Why did she set so many red lines? Why spend so long pandering to the ERG if she's such a closet remainer? She might have voted remain but no way is she a remainer.
blueparrot
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I doubt she even voted remain.It doesn't add up mate. If she's such a remain EU sycophant why didn't she go cross party from the start and negotiate a soft Brexit? Why did she set so many red lines? Why spend so long pandering to the ERG if she's such a closet remainer? She might have voted remain but no way is she a remainer.
The Light Was Yellow Sir
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I would agree, given FOM has always been her bugbear. She, like Johnson and Gove, thought remain would win and she publicly hitched herself to that wagon. Events since have proved that she has never been a remainer.I doubt she even voted remain.
But it’s that engineering process that sometimes baffles me. Everything that happens that looks like she’s lost at some point later looks like it might help her deal. But I suppose the point is that you have no deal MPs obstructing her deal on one side, remain obstructing it on the other and her deal in the middle. So almost anything she does, no matter how comical, has the effect of pushing one side further away but pulling the other side closer. But it’s that pulling one side closer to voting for her deal that was confusing me into thinking it might all be part of an incredible strategy. So she’s not an evil genius, she’s just evil.
At the moment its May's Deal v ? and ? is winning heavily. Its a free hit for MPs, they can vote against May's Deal without having to, or being able to, agree on the alternative. At some point, either in two weeks or at the end of an extension period, if MPs can't agree on ? then it becomes May's Deal v No Deal. And then she wins, IF it reaches that point.
It doesn't add up mate. If she's such a remain EU sycophant why didn't she go cross party from the start and negotiate a soft Brexit? Why did she set so many red lines? Why spend so long pandering to the ERG if she's such a closet remainer? She might have voted remain but no way is she a remainer.
She's not a remainer because the minute she becomes one the ERG would vote against her in a no confidence vote.
Lancet Fluke
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The deal is what it is because of her red lines and her subsequent intransigence when it comes to those red lines. Effectively she more or less devised the deal rather than having it inflicted upon her because there was virtually no where else the deal could have gone.After the poisoned deal inflicted on her by our friendly EU partners it's not surprising.