United thread 2018/19

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Blue Hefner said:
Completely agree with that. The 'form out of the window' stuff I doubt it is true. I imagine it has the same effect as any bad team beating a good team, whether that is City V Spurs or City V United
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Indeed, unlike the fans, the derby is just another game to most players these days.
 
FCBarca said:
I don't think they looked poor tbh. I think they were lucky to advance against PSG but this was as good a level as they could produce. Moreover, for me, they now resemble more a typical United side under Ole than they did earlier in the season under Mou. Has to be remembered that Ole inherited a squad that he later said needed to be rebuilt. In that sense, United as an organization are quite a joke - still in a rebuilding mode years later after how much they have already spent. Says a lot about both Mou & the lack of a sporting direction in the absence of a sporting director

McTominay was the standout performer across both legs for United and considering he is an academy player, that is an important distinction in light of all the purchases they need to make. You look across to Ajax who United were lucky to beat in the Europa Final IMHO who have made enormous improvements at a fraction of the investments their English counterparts have had and you realize it is not simply about how much money you put into squad. As Cruyff says, never seen a bag of money win football matches

They are not top 4, United, and even when they finished 2nd 2 seasons ago I have felt they were at best a top 6 side - that still remains the case. To make that jump up, they don't have far to go and this coming week will reveal how far that gap remains. I think they remain 2-3 seasons from top 4
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Of course Ole is saying it needs to be rebuilt as that covers his arse when he doesn't do very well,every manager has said that since the pisscan left,it's an excuse,pep rebuilt us in one season then cracked on,no matter who they buy it get's them no nearer to the title,they are not going to improve by putting a rookie manager in there who won't even park in his parking space because it used to be the pisscans spot
 
karen7 said:
Of course Ole is saying it needs to be rebuilt as that covers his arse when he doesn't do very well,every manager has said that since the pisscan left,it's an excuse,pep rebuilt us in one season then cracked on,no matter who they buy it get's them no nearer to the title,they are not going to improve by putting a rookie manager in there who won't even park in his parking space because it used to be the pisscans spot
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Perspective. Had Pep inherited what Ole did, he too would likely make changes. I actually think Ole is looking like a decent hire so far, they look like a United team to me even if they are still on the outside looking into the Top 4...for now.
 
FCBarca said:
Perspective. Had Pep inherited what Ole did, he too would likely make changes. I actually think Ole is looking like a decent hire so far, they look like a United team to me even if they are still on the outside looking into the Top 4...for now.
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Piss take right?
 
davek1808 said:
Piss take right?
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Not at all, for me, this is the best United have looked post Fergie. Not an outstanding achievement considering the past 6 years of generally mediocre standards and carousel of odd appointments at manager. Ole has them looking & talking like a United side, that has to be given some credit.

Still, the gap to the top 2 is large enough that it won't be closed in the next 2 or 3 seasons, at the earliest
 
inbetween said:
I have come to not mind the rags this year, me and my rag mates have actually got on and I can understand why they hate Liverpool more.

Can someone give me a slap?
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Pitying them works best. They don't know how to deal with it. Shake your head sadly, sigh and say how you just don't know where it's all gone wrong for them...
 
FCBarca said:
Perspective. Had Pep inherited what Ole did, he too would likely make changes. I actually think Ole is looking like a decent hire so far, they look like a United team to me even if they are still on the outside looking into the Top 4...for now.
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They have just given the old crappy players new contracts,pep got rid of all ours aside from our great players,if they were serious about a rebuild then do just that,they have 2x 100m quid players in the team and play like a team at the middle of the league at best
 
FCBarca said:
Not at all, for me, this is the best United have looked post Fergie. Not an outstanding achievement considering the past 6 years of generally mediocre standards and carousel of odd appointments at manager. Ole has them looking & talking like a United side, that has to be given some credit.

Still, the gap to the top 2 is large enough that it won't be closed in the next 2 or 3 seasons, at the earliest
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Have you seen their recent results? i know you have to be careful straddling 2 teams forums but come on lol
 
FCBarca said:
Perspective. Had Pep inherited what Ole did, he too would likely make changes. I actually think Ole is looking like a decent hire so far, they look like a United team to me even if they are still on the outside looking into the Top 4...for now.
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Not sure I agree he's looking like a decent hire to be honest. But let's say he is, their biggest problem is that playing "like a United team" isn't going to get them very far these days. Football has moved on, so this obsession with recreating their old ways will get them nowhere in the long term.

They really need to lay the "Fergie Years" to rest and look to reinvent themselves, which was what Van Gaal was at least attempting to do. Solskjaer represents a huge step backwards in that regard. They desperately need to move forward but haven't got the patience required as they're still stuck in the past.
 
karen7 said:
Have you seen their recent results? i know you have to be careful straddling 2 teams forums but come on lol
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I'm talking about how they look, not the results. Mou had them 2nd behind City and they were far from the 2nd best team in the Premiership

I am not saying this to placate United fans, just impressed and surprised at Ole's impact.
 
FCBarca said:
I'm talking about how they look, not the results. Mou had them 2nd behind City and they were far from the 2nd best team in the Premiership

I am not saying this to placate United fans, just impressed and surprised at Ole's impact.
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Fair enougjh, although his record is getting worse by the day and I believe it will end in tears. He does not have the nous for a big job like this imo.

5 losses in last 7 I think now.
 
karen7 said:
They have just given the old crappy players new contracts,pep got rid of all ours aside from our great players, if they were serious about a rebuild then do just that,they have 2x 100m quid players in the team and play like a team at the middle of the league at best
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Young is a tactical renewal and only 12 month extension. This can't be seen as a poor move. Jones & Smalling are vets of the team, versatile and England internationals - you go into the market and you spend half your transfer kitty to replace them two? I'd rather they replace Lindelof & Bailly.

Was the expectation that Ole was going to make these sweeping changes mid season? Not really a plausible scenario is it? Let's see what happens in the summer and the moves they make before concluding how poor their overall longterm strategy might be now that they shed themselves of the special one

Pogba could be an interesting case if RM truly are interested, they could easily recoup their initial investment and spend more wisely this time around. At best they are top 6, currently. That is likely to change, deep down you recognize this inevitability as well. Far cry from challenging City or Liverpool currently but I continue to believe they are better today than they were in August 2018.
 
DTeacher said:
Fair enougjh, although his record is getting worse by the day and I believe it will end in tears. He does not have the nous for a big job like this imo.

5 losses in last 7 I think now.
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Agree, their form looks good & bad for you guys. On the one hand they are licking their wounds but on the other, a derby usually throws form out the window. I'd much prefer they were rolling on a 5 match win streak than a 5 match losing one, tbh
 
FCBarca said:
Young is a tactical renewal and only 12 month extension. This can't be seen as a poor move. Jones & Smalling are vets of the team, versatile and England internationals - you go into the market and you spend half your transfer kitty to replace them two? I'd rather they replace Lindelof & Bailly.

Was the expectation that Ole was going to make these sweeping changes mid season? Not really a plausible scenario is it? Let's see what happens in the summer and the moves they make before concluding how poor their overall longterm strategy might be now that they shed themselves of the special one

Pogba could be an interesting case if RM truly are interested, they could easily recoup their initial investment and spend more wisely this time around. At best they are top 6, currently. That is likely to change, deep down you recognize this inevitability as well. Far cry from challenging City or Liverpool currently but I continue to believe they are better today than they were in August 2018.
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Deep down i know they have got through 3 managers and are onto their 4th and they have neither rebuilt or moved on their football,they have been left behind,For what it's worth i think that Ole is the front man and nothing more,he did relegate Cardiff not long ago after all,Phelan and The pisscan is running that show,6 yrs and no prem title,they are gone and i do not expect them to get anywhere near us for the forseeable
 
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