UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[mosssideblue]

Is it just me that kinda likes being hated by everyone whilst hoovering up the trophies with the best manager in the world?

We dont hate you kaz :)

 

[ganganvince]

Could use that bag of tricks.

 

[SWP's back]

A query from Len 'the non conformist of Neasden' Rum.
If Sheikh Mansour is deemed not to be a related party to Etihad then under FFP he cannot provide funds to Etihad for them to subsequently sponsor City?
So such a practice would be against FFP rules but the problem for UEFA is proving it?

Yes but the emails don’t say Mansour will pay the extra. It says His Excellency. Which is his brother, the Emir.

 

[kaz7]

We have lived through the dark times of shite players, numerous shite managers and shite chairman whilst our neighbours won trophies galore

And we were everyone’s second team

Give me winning trophies, with the best players, best manager and best owners any time

Whilst hated by all

I feel as a fanbase we don't deserve the shit we are getting but the club and us come as a package

 

[kaz7]

No, it's not just you, I'm loving it :-D

As ric will confirm i'm not good with authority so bring it on lol

 

[citizen_maine]

Yep me the club should fucking refuse to play it

Good point, cos according to UEFA, if the technology goes wrong, the VAR bloke takes over

 

[Len Rum]

Yes but the emails don’t say Mansour will pay the extra. It says His Excellency. Which is his brother, the Emir.

Cheers.
Interesting.
Very interesting.
PS Could this be why City are so bullish?
The Sheikh's brother has no business relationship to City and therefore if he has put any funds into Etihad this is nothing to do with FFP.

 

[Withnail]

We have the best team in the land, time to show we have the lawyers to match.

Uefa will not know what's hit them after we have finished and as others have said we should have adopted this approach the first time they came after us. Unfortunately, whatever happens our image has been tarnished and we will always be viewed as big bad City who cheated and cooked their books.

 

[roy.or.r]

Surely we can throw out FFP if we go to court? We will have lots of arguments regarding how previous clubs operated and how can it be a bad thing if an owner want to invest. Just curious where this all goes.

 

[Metalartin]

I don't think the context of "inflated" where FFP is concerned, has anything to with anything other than fair market value. So it has nothing to do with what UEFA think Etihad can afford, it's if they feel we wouldn't be able to to get the same deal elsewhere and UEFA already said that's not the case from what we've heard.

Also fair market value would only be relevant if Etihad were a related party and they have not established that link. An unrelated party can pay whatever they feel the deal is worth to them. If Etihad aren't related but Sheikh Mansour has been paying them directly for our sponsorship, the problem isn't inflation but deception/not disclosing things they legally have to. Which I don't think is happening given what City have said.

 

[BertTrautmann'sParachute]

Well, this is the end.....................................................trebles all round!

Lest we forget.

 

[kaz7]

We dont hate you kaz :)

Awww thanks

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I think the fair value rules only apply if it's a related party but I might be wrong

No I believe that’s true, but I also thought that even if the Etihad deal had been deemed as related party it still would have been within fair value.

I may have misread that.

 

[HolisticJim]

Think we will be banned, we will goto CAS and the ban will remain.
Following that I think the FA will investigate us with a potential fine and points deduction.

This will see us going to European trade laws before anything actually changes with regards to this whole sham that is FFP.

I also expect the CL to morph into some thing else before that issue is addressed and it being irrelevant by that time anyway.
Our reputation is already at a point where it can't really go any lower.

Fifa and Uefa have been proved many a time are a corrupt - fingers in many pies - organisation and I have a strong feeling we will be given the runaround until the whole European competition model changes.

This whole thing absolutely stinks but I think this is the tip of the iceberg which will ultimately see some huge changes in world football.

We aught to get together with some of the other clubs which have fell foul of FFP and have strength in numbers.

 

[dario2739]

Think we will be banned, we will goto CAS and the ban will remain.
Following that I think the FA will investigate us with a potential fine and points deduction.

This will see us going to European trade laws before anything actually changes with regards to this whole sham that is FFP.

I also expect the CL to morph into some thing else before that issue is addressed and it being irrelevant by that time anyway.
Our reputation is already at a point where it can't really go any lower.

Fifa and Uefa have been proved many a time are a corrupt - fingers in many pies - organisation and I have a strong feeling we will be given the runaround until the whole European competition model changes.

This whole thing absolutely stinks but I think this is the tip of the iceberg which will ultimately see some huge changes in world football.

We aught to get together with some of the other clubs which have fell foul of FFP and have strength in numbers.

Completely disagree – I don't think they will ban us, or if they try an appeal will overturn it... but I don't think the club will just settle for that, I think they will still bring legal action against a few organisations/people, to finish it once and for all.

 

[mat]

I wonder if this story is linked to our clubs predicament?

 

[mikemcfc]

Quite simply,,,,jealous bastards the lot of them ffs

agreed, and i'm already tired of it,
uefa controls enough without having the right to essentially run every football club in europe.
a MAN pays his money for a club and takes his chances. no one asked anybody to buy a club ever.
luckily in football terms, proportionately, very few teams fail.
either a business can stay afloat or it can't.
It's been that way since we've been enlightened,
coming out of the dark ages.

We have an owner who has invested in a community of a city in a foreign country and positively enhanced for the better pretty much every aspect in that area for youth to adults alike, with opportunities undreamed of before. not to mention the worldwide followers.
If a man has the personal resources to fund all of that and provide the joy that it does then it's his business and no one else.
furthermore his business should be heralded, and not tried to be torn down.
makes no sense.

 

[dario2739]

Surely we can throw out FFP if we go to court? We will have lots of arguments regarding how previous clubs operated and how can it be a bad thing if an owner want to invest. Just curious where this all goes.

Funny thing is, that when you strip it back - people will say FFP is designed to stop clubs overspending and going bump... well, where was it for Bolton or Bury?
Also, even if Mansour himself had rocked up, opened his wallet and said there's £60mil quid... it's his fucking club, his business - how can they say that an owner, investing his own cash to better his club, is wrong?

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Think we will be banned, we will goto CAS and the ban will remain.
Following that I think the FA will investigate us with a potential fine and points deduction.

This will see us going to European trade laws before anything actually changes with regards to this whole sham that is FFP.

I also expect the CL to morph into some thing else before that issue is addressed and it being irrelevant by that time anyway.
Our reputation is already at a point where it can't really go any lower.

Fifa and Uefa have been proved many a time are a corrupt - fingers in many pies - organisation and I have a strong feeling we will be given the runaround until the whole European competition model changes.

This whole thing absolutely stinks but I think this is the tip of the iceberg which will ultimately see some huge changes in world football.

We aught to get together with some of the other clubs which have fell foul of FFP and have strength in numbers.

Hope you're not on our legal team.

 

[Metalartin]

Completely disagree – I don't think they will ban us, or if they try an appeal will overturn it... but I don't think the club will just settle for that, I think they will still bring legal action against a few organisations/people, to finish it once and for all.

Agree, they've made it so there is no reason why City shouldn't challenge them now, there is no public image to protect at this point because they have decimated it.

So if City are confident of a win at this point, why would they stop at simply overturning a ban when they know there was a wider motive of damaging the clubs reputation and tarnishing it's achievements, quite strategically so?

The timing of the leaks makes it so obvious that they've basically scored an own goal with them, in extra time.