UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Jazzman]

Twat

What would the point being of debating anything with somebody who just calls you a bullshitter and completely ignores the content of what has been said? What is being spindoctored by simply referring to other older articles? This Nick Harris guy should be ashamed of himself for trying to argue at such a level.

 

[ccr]

Think the worst part of all this ( and it may have been mentioned before ) is that if City are completely cleared of all wrong doing, the stain on our character will last long after i've gone to the great Kippax in the sky.

 

[Tricky_Trev]

Nick Harris has the look of someone that was eternally bullied at school and now feels good about himself when he calls out other people behind a smartphone.

 

[Rolee]

Think the worst part of all this ( and it may have been mentioned before ) is that if City are completely cleared of all wrong doing, the stain on our character will last long after i've gone to the great Kippax in the sky.

It's there anyway, regardless of the leaks.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Think the worst part of all this ( and it may have been mentioned before ) is that if City are completely cleared of all wrong doing, the stain on our character will last long after i've gone to the great Kippax in the sky.

Exactly the unspoken narrative will be that top class lawyers can get you off with anything.

We should as a club have nailed all this shit when the goalposts were moved and we took a pinch.

Call it lack of English/European culture knowledge or just rank bad advice but we fucked up big time negotiating a deal when we should have said you've shafted us, take it to court. It may not have helped the club short-term but we'd be sitting pretty now.

 

[Rolee]

Exactly the unspoken narrative will be that top class lawyers can get you off with anything.

We should as a club have nailed all this shit when the goalposts were moved and we took a pinch.

Call it lack of English/European culture knowledge or just rank bad advice but we fucked up big time negotiating a deal when we should have said you've shafted us, take it to court. It may not have helped the club short-term but we'd be sitting pretty now.

I'm not so sure, for all we know that court case could be still running today and in the meantime we'd be front and centre getting mud slung at us on a more regular basis.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

I'm not so sure, for all we know that court case could be still running today and in the meantime we'd be front and centre getting mud slung at us on a more regular basis.

Of course we'll never know it could be, we could have lost as well but not doing so then has only most likely put it off until now when we probably have less media friends and the club has been dragged through the shit by them for years.

 

[Rolee]

Of course we'll never know it could be, we could have lost as well but not doing so then has only most likely put it off until now when we probably have less media friends and the club has been dragged through the shit by them for years.

It's hard to know one way or the other, I think we'll be dragged through the shit regardless as the core of those doing it are either fans of our rivals or working at their behest.

 

[Marvin]

Exactly the unspoken narrative will be that top class lawyers can get you off with anything.

We should as a club have nailed all this shit when the goalposts were moved and we took a pinch.

Call it lack of English/European culture knowledge or just rank bad advice but we fucked up big time negotiating a deal when we should have said you've shafted us, take it to court. It may not have helped the club short-term but we'd be sitting pretty now.

Easy to say. Not easy to do. Even now I doubt City will go anywhere but CAS. How does anyone know what the outcome of a law suit against FFP would be? When regulators draft rules like these, they take all kinds of legal advice in doing so, and with the help of politicians and the authorities.

I think City fans will just have to get used to being the pariahs of football. It goes with the territory of having an Arab billionaire as the owner.

 

[gooner6729]

It's there anyway, regardless of the leaks.

I don't think so.

Milan were relegated for match fixing in the 80s. OM were stripped of the Champions League and Juve were relegated in shame. Yet all these clubs are respected across Europe.

Blackburn in the 90s, Chelsea in the noughties and Rangers in Scotland were tarred as cheats. It's all forgotten now just as it will be in the case of Man City.

When you win the title in impressive fashion people sling mud to devalue it.

Blackburn/Chelski - bought it. Belong in the 2nd division

Arsenal - Pires dived for a penalty. Should have been relegated in 2013

Man Utd - boycotted the FA Cup. Mike Riley

Leeds- dirty

Liverpool - only won all those leagues and European Cups because of the back pass rule.

Now it's City and the stick is FFP/Human Rights

In 10 years it will be another club whose achievements are worthless because of whatever reason. All part of the game.

 

[M18CTID]

I don't think so.

Milan were relegated for match fixing in the 80s. OM were stripped of the Champions League and Juve were relegated in shame. Yet all these clubs are respected across Europe.

Blackburn in the 90s, Chelsea in the noughties and Rangers in Scotland were tarred as cheats. It's all forgotten now just as it will be in the case of Man City.

When you win the title in impressive fashion people sling mud to devalue it.

Blackburn/Chelski - bought it. Belong in the 2nd division

Arsenal - Pires dived for a penalty. Should have been relegated in 2013

Man Utd - boycotted the FA Cup. Mike Riley

Leeds- dirty

Liverpool - only won all those leagues and European Cups because of the back pass rule.

Now it's City and the stick is FFP/Human Rights

In 10 years it will be another club whose achievements are worthless because of whatever reason. All part of the game.

There's one difference and that's the rise of social media which is by and large a cesspool for people to air their vitriolic views, so it feels more magnified

That said, when I travel up and down the country watching City and talk to proper match-going fans, I tend to find that hardly anyone cares for this kind of thing and they're generally accepting of City's current status

 

[Rolee]

I don't think so.

Milan were relegated for match fixing in the 80s. OM were stripped of the Champions League and Juve were relegated in shame. Yet all these clubs are respected across Europe.

Blackburn in the 90s, Chelsea in the noughties and Rangers in Scotland were tarred as cheats. It's all forgotten now just as it will be in the case of Man City.

When you win the title in impressive fashion people sling mud to devalue it.

Blackburn/Chelski - bought it. Belong in the 2nd division

Arsenal - Pires dived for a penalty. Should have been relegated in 2013

Man Utd - boycotted the FA Cup. Mike Riley

Leeds- dirty

Liverpool - only won all those leagues and European Cups because of the back pass rule.

Now it's City and the stick is FFP/Human Rights

In 10 years it will be another club whose achievements are worthless because of whatever reason. All part of the game.

Fair points, you may well be right and I hope you are.

Can't help thinking this is bigger than football though and those with a vested interest in discrediting City will not let it drop. That sounds a bit tinfoil hat, I know, but it's how it feels to me.

 

[King KdB of Belgium]

Marvin the point about taking them to court will not about FFP. but about using stolen data. It is impossible to go after someone with stolen data and try and get a verdict for yourself, as it would not be admissible in a court of law. We would be going after them for theft and not FFP. They would have to prove that the information they have before reviving the stolen e-mails, would still lead to a conviction, which I highly doubt hey would be able to prove.

So that would lead then to UEFA being fined, plus that then could lead them to being sued for damages which could run into the £millions. This then could lead difficult situation, where they can only go after clubs with the information they get be legal means. For us CAS would be the first step, of getting the ban overturned. If this should fail then we would have no then choice but to take them to court and sue them for theft, and by this way UEFAS would have no choice but to over turn the ban, as they would have broken the law, and you can't use information gained illegally to try and win your case.

 

[asahartford1]

Marvin the point about taking them to court will not about FFP. but about using stolen data. It is impossible to go after someone with stolen data and try and get a verdict for yourself, as it would not be admissible in a court of law. We would be going after them for theft and not FFP. They would have to prove that the information they have before reviving the stolen e-mails, would still lead to a conviction, which I highly doubt hey would be able to prove.

So that would lead then to UEFA being fined, plus that then could lead them to being sued for damages which could run into the £millions. This then could lead difficult situation, where they can only go after clubs with the information they get be legal means. For us CAS would be the first step, of getting the ban overturned. If this should fail then we would have no then choice but to take them to court and sue them for theft, and by this way UEFAS would have no choice but to over turn the ban, as they would have broken the law, and you can't use information gained illegally to try and win your case.

He (John) may already be in prison by then.

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

A secure server and encrypted emails would have prevented all of this...

*sighs

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

A secure server and encrypted emails would have prevented all of this...

*sighs

Not necessarily. There's various ways of extracting/copying information even if it is as simple as taking a photo of a computer screen, no technical security solution is preventing that. A malicious or careless individual is almost impossible to cater for.

 

[Jacko1956]

Will drag on for months, firstly UEFA'S lawyers will be asked to look at the report from the investigation committee. UEFA will not try to impose a ban on us if it wont get through a CAS appeal they've already had their fingers burned with PSG. Secondly.they are well.aware of City's financial clout if things go through the courts and if they were to lose it would seriously affect their finances when City sue them. In my opinion if the UEFA dont feel they can make any sactions stick they will go down the lines of delaying and delaying any verdict, one thing is certain both parties will be exchanging very interesting dialect with City already making clear they will throw their considerable financial resources souly at UEFA !

 

[Gray]

Whatever the outcome it will not change the fact that UEFA are a bunch of money grabbing corrupt dickheads.

 

[willipp]

I don't think so.

Milan were relegated for match fixing in the 80s. OM were stripped of the Champions League and Juve were relegated in shame. Yet all these clubs are respected across Europe.

Blackburn in the 90s, Chelsea in the noughties and Rangers in Scotland were tarred as cheats. It's all forgotten now just as it will be in the case of Man City.

When you win the title in impressive fashion people sling mud to devalue it.

Blackburn/Chelski - bought it. Belong in the 2nd division

Arsenal - Pires dived for a penalty. Should have been relegated in 2013

Man Utd - boycotted the FA Cup. Mike Riley

Leeds- dirty

Liverpool - only won all those leagues and European Cups because of the back pass rule.

Now it's City and the stick is FFP/Human Rights

In 10 years it will be another club whose achievements are worthless because of whatever reason. All part of the game.

Blackburn were never banded cheats. If anything they were glorified as Jack Walker was a local man investing in his club.

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

Not necessarily. There's various ways of extracting/copying information even if it is as simple as taking a photo of a computer screen, no technical security solution is preventing that. A malicious or careless individual is almost impossible to cater for.

Except it appears the whole lot has been dumped. It’s clearly not a case of screen shots as there are thousands of club emails leaked. I’d say it’s a case of the entire contents of the server being obtained and quite frankly that is a result of unbelievable complacency in my view.