UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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gooner6729 said:
I don't think so.

Milan were relegated for match fixing in the 80s. OM were stripped of the Champions League and Juve were relegated in shame. Yet all these clubs are respected across Europe.

Blackburn in the 90s, Chelsea in the noughties and Rangers in Scotland were tarred as cheats. It's all forgotten now just as it will be in the case of Man City.

When you win the title in impressive fashion people sling mud to devalue it.

Blackburn/Chelski - bought it. Belong in the 2nd division

Arsenal - Pires dived for a penalty. Should have been relegated in 2013

Man Utd - boycotted the FA Cup. Mike Riley

Leeds- dirty

Liverpool - only won all those leagues and European Cups because of the back pass rule.

Now it's City and the stick is FFP/Human Rights

In 10 years it will be another club whose achievements are worthless because of whatever reason. All part of the game.
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Interesting as a Gooner you never mentioned George Graham taking ‘bungs’ - probably because Arsenal did a great job of distancing themselves from that scandal - the narrative was that Graham acted alone - and maybe he did but it’s probably unlikely. That said the whole episode was swept largely under the carpet, Arsenal seemed to suffer no reputational damage and even Graham managed again. I suspect every was at it - Graham was seen as unlucky and hence no one could really judge him too harshly. Honour amongst thieves I guess.
 
ccr said:
Think the worst part of all this ( and it may have been mentioned before ) is that if City are completely cleared of all wrong doing, the stain on our character will last long after i've gone to the great Kippax in the sky.
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My biggest concern is that the Uefa back down on this on the basis of a technicality.

I would rather is go the whole way on this and remove any future doubts.
 
I particularly enjoyed this response in the Rabin jibe.

Nick Harris‏Verified account @sportingintel 3h3 hours ago
Hi PZDKJ, just because something is in the public domain doesn’t mean the person using it isn’t using it in bad faith and misrepresenting it / lying about it. Ie @RobHarris’s work and TV appearances as part of his job. Which he himself posts on YouTube


Doesn't get irony, clearly.

He's spent the last six fucking months misrepresenting hacked information that has been dispersed into the public domain by various outlets, without any privy to context or possible vested interests/agendas/possible lies.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
I particularly enjoyed this response in the Rabin jibe.

Nick Harris‏Verified account @sportingintel 3h3 hours ago
Hi PZDKJ, just because something is in the public domain doesn’t mean the person using it isn’t using it in bad faith and misrepresenting it / lying about it. Ie @RobHarris’s work and TV appearances as part of his job. Which he himself posts on YouTube


Doesn't get irony, clearly.

He's spent the last six fucking months misrepresenting hacked information that has been dispersed into the public domain by various outlets, without any privy to context or possible vested interests/agendas/possible lies.
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My favourite bit is where he moaned about Rabin "smearing journalists to undermine any vestige of faith in journalism". He seemingly had no problem with Rob Harris smearing Guardiola's reputation immediately after the FA Cup Final though. In fact, he actively celebrated it.
 
Ric said:
My favourite bit is where he moaned about Rabin "smearing journalists to undermine any vestige of faith in journalism". He seemingly had no problem with Rob Harris smearing Guardiola's reputation immediately after the FA Cup Final though. In fact, he actively celebrated it.
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Mate, you know me, 25 years working in this cess pit of an industry. I have never seen its like before. There is now a vast herd of sacred cows who, as a result of social media platforms, actually believe THEY are now the story.

Delusions of celebrity, easily affronted, feigning moral outrage when they are called out on a global platform that is there for everyone, there for all to see.

I am genuinely considering getting in touch with Rabin and recruiting a team of 'minded' individuals who can start to out these people on a daily basis.
 
Only just realised that Rabin is arguing with nick Harris and not Rob Harris.
I presume they are related and nick got involved to back up Rob after getting abuse for his guardiola question.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Mate, you know me, 25 years working in this cess pit of an industry. I have never seen its like before. There is now a vast herd of sacred cows who, as a result of social media platforms, actually believe THEY are now the story.

Delusions of celebrity, easily affronted, feigning moral outrage when they are called out on a global platform that is there for everyone, there for all to see.

I am genuinely considering getting in touch with Rabin and recruiting a team of 'minded' individuals who can start to out these people on a daily basis.
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Something like that should happen for all topics on social media it needs a department in government for it! Because social media is becoming a cesspit and brings out the worst in most.
 
117 M34 said:
Only just realised that Rabin is arguing with nick Harris and not Rob Harris.
I presume they are related and nick got involved to back up Rob after getting abuse for his guardiola question.
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If they are related, which I highly doubt that DNA must be worse than Giggy's DNA over at the swamp.
 
When people talk about human rights abuses, out of interest where are the links to City's owners etc made? Is it just a case of, it's happening in Abu Dhabi and they are therefore linked? Or is it guilty by association?
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Mate, you know me, 25 years working in this cess pit of an industry. I have never seen its like before. There is now a vast herd of sacred cows who, as a result of social media platforms, actually believe THEY are now the story.

Delusions of celebrity, easily affronted, feigning moral outrage when they are called out on a global platform that is there for everyone, there for all to see.

I am genuinely considering getting in touch with Rabin and recruiting a team of 'minded' individuals who can start to out these people on a daily basis.
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This
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Mate, you know me, 25 years working in this cess pit of an industry. I have never seen its like before. There is now a vast herd of sacred cows who, as a result of social media platforms, actually believe THEY are now the story.

Delusions of celebrity, easily affronted, feigning moral outrage when they are called out on a global platform that is there for everyone, there for all to see.

I am genuinely considering getting in touch with Rabin and recruiting a team of 'minded' individuals who can start to out these people on a daily basis.
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Spot-on. Journalism used to be about being fair, balanced, and accurate. As the mainstream media continues to collapse a lot of cowboys have invaded the industry. Many have no qualifications and are just cut-and-paste merchants. They are supposed to be impartial but spend their lives on social media promoting themselves and their own political (sometimes racist) attitudes. If the story becomes about you then you have failed as a reporter.
There are two types of fake news. The first is the totally made-up mischief (Pep off to Juve etc); the second is the re-hashing of biased comments with no context. For example when the BBC covered the FFP story last month they repeatedly referred to the Der Spiegel "whistleblower" but did not mention that just a few days earlier Ruis Pinto had been arrested for attempting to extort money from a Portugese club using stolen emails (ie blackmail). For me the second type is more despicable.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Spot-on. Journalism used to be about being fair, balanced, and accurate. As the mainstream media continues to collapse a lot of cowboys have invaded the industry. Many have no qualifications and are just cut-and-paste merchants. They are supposed to be impartial but spend their lives on social media promoting themselves and their own political (sometimes racist) attitudes. If the story becomes about you then you have failed as a reporter.
There are two types of fake news. The first is the totally made-up mischief (Pep off to Juve etc); the second is the re-hashing of biased comments with no context. For example when the BBC covered the FFP story last month they repeatedly referred to the Der Spiegel "whistleblower" but did not mention that just a few days earlier Ruis Pinto had been arrested for attempting to extort money from a Portugese club using stolen emails (ie blackmail). For me the second type is more despicable.
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Whilst I disagree with the way City are currently being portrayed, do not be under the illusion that journalism is about being fair, balanced and accurate and that hasn’t been the case since the First World War at the latest. There are obviously notable exceptions but there has always been a bias in reporting everything. They lie about things that are much more important than football so I’m sometimes a bit surprised at how surprised people are that they have agendas in, and lie about football.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Mate, you know me, 25 years working in this cess pit of an industry. I have never seen its like before. There is now a vast herd of sacred cows who, as a result of social media platforms, actually believe THEY are now the story.

Delusions of celebrity, easily affronted, feigning moral outrage when they are called out on a global platform that is there for everyone, there for all to see.

I am genuinely considering getting in touch with Rabin and recruiting a team of 'minded' individuals who can start to out these people on a daily basis.
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It needs people like you mate from within to do exactly that, the knights of the round table!

Tolmie, PB,Rabin for starters!
 
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