Glastonbury 2019

conormcfc said:
I find it odd when people use those terms as derogatory ways of describing grime and hip hop but ok. Just ignorance really.

Just because something isn't for you doesn't mean it should be banished to a smaller stage mate. Not sure I'd even be attending either as I've already seen him a couple of times and there's always loads of other choice at glasto, but he's undoubtably a more exciting headline than the usual 3 'white man with guitar' acts they book in all the headline slots.
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Not sure how you get on the "introducing" stage. My sons band were up for being on it last year but got a reply last year saying they did not have enough followers on social media. Sort of goes against the principle of the "introducing" stage.
 
dannyboy29 said:
The only issue I have with the genre is that 90% of the time its just karaoke or (roll the track) as its cool to say. I would have much more appreciation for them if they got a full band involved rather than just shouting "yo yo gangster possie in da house" (or whatever) over a backing track. Although to be fair to Stormzy I think I saw him on radio 1 live lounge with a band and it sounded good, Hopefully he does the same again at Glasto
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Has any rapper even said this since about 1994?! It's from the same school as people who do the 'slightly hunched down, waving the hands about' impression of a rapper. People who aren't into hip hop seem set on the idea of comparing everyone to NWA.

It's such a lazy stereotype of what is a brilliantly diverse genre of music. Kanye West, for example, is about as far away from 'gangster rap' as any musician could ever get.
 
conormcfc said:
Has any rapper even said this since about 1994?! It's from the same school as people who do the 'slightly hunched down, waving the hands about' impression of a rapper. People who aren't into hip hop seem set on the idea of comparing everyone to NWA.

It's such a lazy stereotype of what is a brilliantly diverse genre of music. Kanye West, for example, is about as far away from 'gangster rap' as any musician could ever get.
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His slot as Glasto was probably one of the worst things ive witnessed / heard.
 
conormcfc said:
I find it odd when people use those terms as derogatory ways of describing grime and hip hop but ok. Just ignorance really.

Just because something isn't for you doesn't mean it should be banished to a smaller stage mate. Not sure I'd even be attending either as I've already seen him a couple of times and there's always loads of other choice at glasto, but he's undoubtably a more exciting headline than the usual 3 'white man with guitar' acts they book in all the headline slots.
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Kanye West and Jay Z have had years and years of mainstream success so despite them not being everyone's cup of tea, they justified that spot and I think surprised many people.

The reality is Stormzy has had 4 commercially successful (ie popular) singles and featured on a Little Mix song. I just don't see how he stands a chance of entertaining 50k+ people for 2 hours, when its only going to be a minority that have heard any of his other stuff. Its just come way too soon for him.

Some of the backlash is definitely snobbery of that genre of music, and you can stretch a racial justification for that I suppose, but in my opinion he hasn't had the success or the back catalogue to deserve it (at this point in his career).

If they wanted something different to a "white man with a guitar" act as you put it, then Drake or Kendrick would have been more deserving, and would have the back catalogue too.
 
dannyboy29 said:
His slot as Glasto was probably one of the worst things ive witnessed / heard.
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Each to their own. Still doesn't make him a 'brap brap ganster man', whatever that means.

cptaidan88 said:
Kanye West and Jay Z have had years and years of mainstream success so despite them not being everyone's cup of tea, they justified that spot and I think surprised many people.

The reality is Stormzy has had 4 commercially successful (ie popular) singles and featured on a Little Mix song. I just don't see how he stands a chance of entertaining 50k+ people for 2 hours, when its only going to be a minority that have heard any of his other stuff. Its just come way too soon for him.

Some of the backlash is definitely snobbery of that genre of music, and you can stretch a racial justification for that I suppose, but in my opinion he hasn't had the success or the back catalogue to deserve it (at this point in his career).

If they wanted something different to a "white man with a guitar" act as you put it, then Drake or Kendrick would have been more deserving, and would have the back catalogue too.
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He'll have another album out early next year, so there'll be more known material out there before the fest.

Arctic Monkeys were booked with just 1 album out, Coldplay actually played it with only 1 album out. It isn't unprecedented stuff. Pulp played loads of their 'Different Class' album before it even came out in '95 and that went down a storm.

He packed out the other stage to about 50k people in 2017 so it's no stretch to imagine him doing it on the Pyramid with a bigger fanbase and more material next year.

I'm not even a big Stormzy fan, I'd have much preferred Kendrick myself. But I think it's brilliant that they're giving young British talent the push rather than sticking to the same boring Coldplay/Muse/AM rotation of bands, it's bland as fuck. The festival has always been about diversity and Stormzy is very much an of-the-moment, popular and diverse act.

Edit: and just for clarification I can definitely get on board with the argument that he's not big enough yet, that's fair game (though I see it as a positive thing that he's getting the push personally). What I can't get on board with however is the "Brap brap music doesn't belong on the pyramid" brigade. That's just ignorance.
 
conormcfc said:
Each to their own. Still doesn't make him a 'brap brap ganster man', whatever that means.



He'll have another album out early next year, so there'll be more known material out there before the fest.

Arctic Monkeys were booked with just 1 album out, Coldplay actually played it with only 1 album out. It isn't unprecedented stuff. Pulp played loads of their 'Different Class' album before it even came out in '95 and that went down a storm.

He packed out the other stage to about 50k people in 2017 so it's no stretch to imagine him doing it on the Pyramid with a bigger fanbase and more material next year.

I'm not even a big Stormzy fan, I'd have much preferred Kendrick myself. But I think it's brilliant that they're giving young British talent the push rather than sticking to the same boring Coldplay/Muse/AM rotation of bands, it's bland as fuck. The festival has always been about diversity and Stormzy is very much an of-the-moment, popular and diverse act.

Edit: and just for clarification I can definitely get on board with the argument that he's not big enough yet, that's fair game (though I see it as a positive thing that he's getting the push personally). What I can't get on board with however is the "Brap brap music doesn't belong on the pyramid" brigade. That's just ignorance.
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I think rap in all its variations is fucking tripe but that’s just my personal opinion. What does irk me is “white boys” in their souped up cars playing this shite “music” with the windows wound down blasting it out for all to hear when in reality the rest of us don’t want to hear that shit. Bet you’re one of them!!
 
hammocity said:
I think rap in all its variations is fucking tripe but that’s just my personal opinion. What does irk me is “white boys” in their souped up cars playing this shite “music” with the windows wound down blasting it out for all to hear when in reality the rest of us don’t want to hear that shit. Bet you’re one of them!!
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Haha, call it as you see it Hammo!
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
Got ripped off then.
Last year i was in a motorhome....in a campervan field just outside the village with a 24/7 shuttle bus.
240 quid each for me, mrs and daughter..plus £90 for campervan ticket.
Was there from wednesday until monday morning £810 for the 3 of us....for 5 days.
Bargain.

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Was that the bath and west showground - got tickets there this year is it any good?
 
cptaidan88 said:
Kanye West and Jay Z have had years and years of mainstream success so despite them not being everyone's cup of tea, they justified that spot and I think surprised many people.

The reality is Stormzy has had 4 commercially successful (ie popular) singles and featured on a Little Mix song. I just don't see how he stands a chance of entertaining 50k+ people for 2 hours, when its only going to be a minority that have heard any of his other stuff. Its just come way too soon for him.

Some of the backlash is definitely snobbery of that genre of music, and you can stretch a racial justification for that I suppose, but in my opinion he hasn't had the success or the back catalogue to deserve it (at this point in his career).

If they wanted something different to a "white man with a guitar" act as you put it, then Drake or Kendrick would have been more deserving, and would have the back catalogue too.
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I agree with all of this, except for the part about Drake or Kendrick.

You have the "traditionalists" (many on this thread) who see any urban music as an NWA parody regardless of how it sounds, who it is by and what they are saying. They will never accept a black man without a guitar headlining a festival they have never been to so engaging with them is pointless.

The fact is Hip Hop and all it sub genres is massive and worthy of headlining any non genre specific festival, in terms of Stormzy, I read that they wanted a UK grime / hip hop act to headline, so if that was the case then Dizzee would have been perfect, has the crowd control, experience and most importantly back catalogue to justify a headline slot. Stormzy just doesnt have that yet as he is too green. Even a Tiny Tempah or a Wiley would have been better choices, or do a Boy Better Know combination set.
 
hammocity said:
I think rap in all its variations is fucking tripe but that’s just my personal opinion. What does irk me is “white boys” in their souped up cars playing this shite “music” with the windows wound down blasting it out for all to hear when in reality the rest of us don’t want to hear that shit. Bet you’re one of them!!
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Yeah white boys listening to black music, we should all stick to our own races for music shouldn't we. Fucking nonsense.
 
Southbanken said:
Yeah white boys listening to black music, we should all stick to our own races for music shouldn't we. Fucking nonsense.
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My point was, why do mostly young white boys wind the windows down in their cars to blast the rap music out? It’s almost “look at me, I’m down with the gangsta’s” even though in reality most of them are weedy fuckers who probably work in Call Centre’s. I was quoting a tiny demographic of rap fans not the majority. I never said white people shouldnt listen to black music, that’s racism in the extreme and something I have no truck with. My choice of music is eclectic and the ethnicity of the artist is completely irrelevant. Saying that it’s my opinion that most rap music is absolute tripe, I stand by that but it would be terrible if we all liked the same music. As in life it’s personal choice and I acknowledge rappers are talented in their field, just like classical musicians, punk rockers, opera singers, soul artists, Jazz bands, boy bands, etc, etc.
 
Well I somehow managed to get a ticket in the resale, 20 mintues after the sold out sign went up. Got to get a coach from Lincoln though.

Line up is out and it is not the best. Festival line ups seem a bit shit in General though this year.

Will have a ball none the less.
 
Southbanken said:
Was that the bath and west showground - got tickets there this year is it any good?
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i never answered this....yes we were in Bath and West last time (2017)....despite having to get the wee shuttle bus, i really liked it....shower block, proper toilets and pretty quiet (must be getting old)
 
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