VAR (PL introduction 2019)

[lust overlord]

I initially thought this but then don’t you think managers would just challenge the biggest decisions in a game automatically to try and get something ruled out. They’d have challenged the Aguerooo moment. All the biggest most iconic goals in football would always be challenged.

Maybe.
It'd still add drama in that case,that's if the manager had a" challenge" left.

And probably still provide the correct decision.
And at least the game wouldn't be open to constant stoppages.

 

[citytilllidie]

With there likely to be more penalties, I can see a few goalies getting sent off. Pep better stock up on goalies, or start getting outfield players to start practising.

 

[PragueBlue]

I initially thought this but then don’t you think managers would just challenge the biggest decisions in a game automatically to try and get something ruled out. They’d have challenged the Aguerooo moment. All the biggest most iconic goals in football would always be challenged.

The way it stands, all goals, penalties and red card decisions will be automatically reviewed anyway. At least with the challenge system, it would only happen a couple of times a game, not constantly and the manager would have to choose when and where to use them.

 

[vintiz]

I personally hate VAR. it’s going to take away a lot of the excitement and spontaneity of football. I actually think if the premier league was the only league that didn’t adopt it, we’d get an even bigger fan base across the world. The world loves our league for the fast pace, physicality and end to end excitement. Give them what they want! Every goal next season I’ll have to wait 20 seconds before I can relax and properly celebrate

Not sure if true. “Fans all over the world” watch on tv. If the premier league doesn’t adopt it, it’ll seems as tho it’s been left behind.

 

[Dubai Blue]

I initially thought this but then don’t you think managers would just challenge the biggest decisions in a game automatically to try and get something ruled out. They’d have challenged the Aguerooo moment. All the biggest most iconic goals in football would always be challenged.

I'd have far less problem accepting that system than the current nonsense. Players generally know when something has gone seriously wrong and would eventually learn to use their challenges wisely if they're restricted to just 1 or 2 per game. They wouldn't risk challenging a goal where there's a chance someone's big toe might be offside; they'd save it for a complete howler like the Milner offside or a blatant penalty.

The problem with the current VAR system is that it's used far too frequently. And "mission creep" will only see this increase over time. If it's to be tolerated by the majority of fans and actually enhance the spectacle of the game, it needs to be used as sparingly as possible to fix "clear & obvious" injustices. A challenge system is the only way to make that happen.

 

[Dubai Blue]

The more I think about the challenge proposal, the more I think it's a compromise I could seriously get on board with. I've been watching City for over 35 years now and I don't feel cheated when the opposition scores a goal that a replay shows was 6 inches offside. I have a moan then accept it's part of the game and just get on with it.

What really pisses me off is when referees miss clear penalty incidents or get conned by divers. And of course when some dimwitted linesman fails to spot a player standing a foot or more offside right in front of his nose. These are the things that need fixing.

We really don't need VAR to be pouring over the minutiae of every single incident, strangling all the fun out of the game in the process. The major refereeing fuck-ups (i.e., the clear and obvious result-changing errors that this system was supposedly brought in to address) happen once or twice a game at most. Often, they don't happen at all.

Let's not destroy everything we enjoy about the game by using a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Just give the captains a couple of challenges and let us get on with it.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

With there likely to be more penalties, I can see a few goalies getting sent off. Pep better stock up on goalies, or start getting outfield players to start practising.

I think this might be why he still has the option of Mangala. He'd make a cracking goalie!

 

[bluebaja]

There is a big Ref element in this of course. My bet is that we will see some Refs that use it a lot, and some hardly at all. Watched most of the the USA v Spain World Cup game last night, the Ref awarded 2 penalties and I don't think she used VAR once.

 

[Dubai Blue]

There is a big Ref element in this of course. My bet is that we will see some Refs that use it a lot, and some hardly at all. Watched most of the the USA v Spain World Cup game last night, the Ref awarded 2 penalties and I don't think she used VAR once.

It's not the ref who decides. It's the VAR that tells the ref when something needs to be looked at again.

 

[bluebaja]

It's not the ref who decides. It's the VAR that tells the ref when something needs to be looked at again.

I feel really stupid now....

 

[BlueHammer85]

The more I think about the challenge proposal, the more I think it's a compromise I could seriously get on board with. I've been watching City for over 35 years now and I don't feel cheated when the opposition scores a goal that a replay shows was 6 inches offside. I have a moan then accept it's part of the game and just get on with it.
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and if that goal denied you a win in a cup final ? or the title ? or a defeat to Liverpool ?

you may be able to brush it off, but majority of fans will be going mental in the stands,booing the ref off, bombarding forums saying the ref is corrupt and then the pundits make it the main talking point - if everyone had your blase attitude and could accept a ref gets it wrong on the odd occasion then we wouldn't be in a situation where VAR was required.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

There is a big Ref element in this of course. My bet is that we will see some Refs that use it a lot, and some hardly at all. Watched most of the the USA v Spain World Cup game last night, the Ref awarded 2 penalties and I don't think she used VAR once.

Apart from the time she spent three minutes reviewing a penalty that shouldn't have been given but she stuck to her guns. Biggest fault with the World Cup refs is that they aren't good enough and are using VAR as a method of trying to justify their shit decisions. Then you have the VAR officials trying to justify their existence. The penalty for Canada was correctly not given as surely when the ball hit her arm it was by her side yet VAR tell her to have a look and lo and behold it's a penalty

 

[stonerblue]

https://www.football365.com/news/on-the-scourge-of-var-football-should-be-poetry-not-mathematics

This was probably posted when it was first published two weeks ago, but it perfectly sums up my feelings about what we are about to invite into the game. I also understand why people such as yourself want it brought in; we simply appreciate and prioritise two completely different aspects of the game: me, the overall experience; you, the need for all decisions to be right.



I urge you to read the article in full if you haven't already, because it will at least help you see the other side and understand the inherent flaws that people such as myself see in VAR. I don't expect either of us to change our opinions on this, but I will dispute your suggestion that VAR will actually enhance the euphoria of the watching public. As the article says:



Fun is what I value above all else when it comes to watching football. Ultimately, I want to enjoy myself. But my experience of VAR already tells me that my potential for enjoyment is going to be greatly reduced by its presence.

Excellently put, and with more patience than i could muster

 

[stonerblue]

Thank you. It's broken my heart but after what happened in the CL against Spurs, and what I read on German and Dutch fans forums the following day, my mind was made up.

same here, but after talking to my mrs who knew more about the match than i did, and i was there..

 

[Dubai Blue]

and if that goal denied you a win in a cup final ? or the title ? or a defeat to Liverpool ?

you may be able to brush it off, but majority of fans will be going mental in the stands,booing the ref off, bombarding forums saying the ref is corrupt and then the pundits make it the main talking point - if everyone had your blase attitude and could accept a ref gets it wrong on the odd occasion then we wouldn't be in a situation where VAR was required.

Can only give my own opinion as I see it. I certainly don't claim to speak for anyone else.

And, yes, I'd take a cup final defeat to a goal that was marginally offside if it means we get to keep the spontaneity and explosion of emotions that have made football the most popular sport in the world.

I've explained several times to you that our priorities lie at completely different ends of the spectrum, so there's no scenario you can throw at me that is suddenly going to change my mind.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Can only give my own opinion as I see it. I certainly don't claim to speak for anyone else.

And, yes, I'd take a cup final defeat to a goal that was marginally offside if it means we get to keep the spontaneity and explosion of emotions that have made football the most popular sport in the world.

I've explained several times to you that our priorities lie at completely different ends of the spectrum, so there's no scenario you can throw at me that is suddenly going to change my mind.

fair points, i couldn't accept a offside goal that lost my team a final when we have the resources to get the correct decision.

 

[Dubai Blue]

fair points, i couldn't accept a offside goal that lost my team a final when we have the resources to get the correct decision.

You wouldn't need to with a challenge system. If the captain thinks there's a hint of offside he can have it reviewed.

What I don't want is this current nonsense where perfectly good goals are scored and we all have to wait around for confirmation from the VAR that he's not found any reason to disallow it.

The players know when there's been an injustice so leave it to them to decide when incidents are reviewed.

That way, you get the right decisions and I still get to enjoy goals being scored. It seems like a sensible compromise to me.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

and if that goal denied you a win in a cup final ? or the title ? or a defeat to Liverpool ?

you may be able to brush it off, but majority of fans will be going mental in the stands,booing the ref off, bombarding forums saying the ref is corrupt and then the pundits make it the main talking point - if everyone had your blase attitude and could accept a ref gets it wrong on the odd occasion then we wouldn't be in a situation where VAR was required.

You mean like now?

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

fair points, i couldn't accept a offside goal that lost my team a final when we have the resources to get the correct decision.

It doesn’t though, does it? The tech is nowhere near enough developed to get offsides right. The obvious ones maybe, but not all the ones it will be used for

 

[aguero93:20]

A, its way too slow,and looks like it won't get appreciably quicker.

They could enforce the clear and obvious part by giving the refs 30 seconds from the beginning of the replay to overrule the onfield decision.

Oh and prosecuting when they still make a clear and obvious error that favours a G14 club or media favourite.