Another new Brexit thread

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blueinsa said:
Yes because only countries in the EU are able to trade............
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Only countries in the EU have frictionless trade and service agreements mate, not even individual US states have that with each other. You have a services based economy. Figure it out.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Only countries in the EU have frictionless trade and service agreements mate, not even individual US states have that with each other. You have a services based economy. Figure it out.
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Frictionless trade is yet another remain myth.

No such thing as frictionless trade, especially when dealing with EU red tape.
 
blueinsa said:
Yes because only countries in the EU are able to trade............
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...with each other on a frictionless basis and with a more fully integrated services economy than the USA.

See. You were halfway there. Just needed finishing.
 
blueinsa said:
Frictionless trade is yet another remain myth.

No such thing as frictionless trade, especially when dealing with EU red tape.
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Yes, because dealing with customs and applying for import and export licenses is so much easier than a simple VAT3 form.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
What did they not understand about what leave or remain meant in 2016?
This ridiculous argument only came about because of non acceptance of the result.
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Yep - I remember posting in 2016 that the way the machinations were going on at Westminster, the EU were going to be very encouraged to offer only very bad deal and be confident that a 2nd vote would overturned the first because that shit deal would be sold as being the reality of Brexit.

It is all a Remainer fabrication
 
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So putting ‘inevitibility’ aside for a moment. Why is further integration such a bad thing. When I visit Germany, they still seem very German, same in Belgium, same in France, and Spain. What is it about the plans for deeper Eu integration that are so horrible. How would our lives suffer? Help us remainers see this future through EU sceptic eyes.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Leaving has just simply not been implemented, we've discussed to death the reasons why.
The point is, that this 'Didn't understand, or know then, but we do now,' is a fabrication by those who
lost the vote.
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It really is that simple

Understandably, people prefer to dress up that reality
 
blueinsa said:
No such thing as frictionless.
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I see we are in that Brexit phase where we deny reality to make our intended destination seem fine.

You’re better than this. Don’t embarrass yourself. This is flat Earth territory.

It is fine to wish to leave the EU but don’t distort or deny what it means or what the purpose of the EU is and has been when it comes to trade specifically the erosion of any and all barriers to trade and for people between countries. This erosion of barriers to trade and people is quite literally the reason the U.K. voted to leave. To deny that is to deny the basis for the Leave vote.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE CONSERVATIVE


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Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his kettle with water to prepare his morning tea/coffee. The water is clean and good, because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards.

With his first swallow of coffee, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take, because some stupid commie liberal fought to insure their safety and that they work as advertised.

He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat, because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labelled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents, because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean, because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

Joe drives to work in a safe regulated car because meddling liberals fought for more safety features and standards.

Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, pension, paternity leave, paid holidays and sick pay because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards.

Joe hurts himself at work and an ambulance takes him to A&E. He receives free at the point of use treatment thanks to bloody liberal socialists who formed the NHS.

Joe gets home and relaxes by turning on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn’t mention that his beloved Conservatives have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day.

Joe agrees: “We don’t need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I’m a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have.”

Joe is blissful in his ignorance…

The End.
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On the Brexit thread - why?
 
Gaudion M said:
Yep - if you apply that logic to May's deal then you would sign up to it. We keep getting told that NI border issues are easily solved so why let that hold you back.

The answer is that we all know there is no solution to NI/ROI and therefore Mays deal is semi permanent. But lets be clear No Deal is not a solution to NI/ROI it is a massive problem that would lead to the break up of the Union. The simple solution is that NI alligns itself with ROI and outside of the UK, that then tips Scotland over the balance as they don't want to leave the EU either. Add this mess on top of the economic damage that is widely accepted and Brexit is a rank awful mess. This is not what was on offer in 2016.
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As has been said many times - nobody with the best interests of the UK at heart should sign up to a deal with an unfettered backstop

Its purpose would not be limited to the border issue - that is a feint - it would be used and abused to the significant detriment of the UK
 
Didsbury Dave said:
I've shifted my position loads. At the time of the referendum I thought that leaving the EU was a bad idea because it would risk damaging the economy, break up the United Kingdom and remove freedom of movement.

Three years later my opinion has changed massively. I believe that Brexit is an act of unsurpassed stupidity promoted by selfish, manipulative, jingoistic idiots and supported by stubborn, ill-informed fools.

I cannot frame the debate in any other terms because I'm disgusted at the state these people have brought the country to, and terrified for the future of my children. I appreciate that some people don't like being talked to angrily, but sometimes if you hold an opinion like that you have to accept that people feel like that about you. It's a free country and you can believe whatever you want, but when your beliefs fly in the face of all credible evidence and more importantly drag the rest of us (and our families) down with you, then you have to live with the consequences on a rubust, adult forum.
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But this post is clearly inconsistent with the request made by Ric and that being the case are you not just indulging yourself?

Leavers are clearly respecting the request for civility by not responding to your insults in like manner
 
mcfc1632 said:
It really is that simple

Understandably, people prefer to dress up that reality
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It surely isn't that simple. Some people will have known precisely what they were voting for, whilst others won't have. It's certainly not a fabrication, unless you are claiming to speak for the entire 17.4m.
 
Ric said:
It surely isn't that simple. Some people will have known precisely what they were voting for, whilst others won't have. It's certainly not a fabrication, unless you are claiming to speak for the entire 17.4m.
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He is.
 
Ric said:
It surely isn't that simple. Some people will have known precisely what they were voting for, whilst others won't have. It's certainly not a fabrication, unless you are claiming to speak for the entire 17.4m.
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Well, unless you're speaking for the whole 16.2m that voted for remain, it is also pertinent to point
out that a good proportion of that number only voted how they did, because they were terrified of
the immediate 10% tax rise, the good possibility of their inclusion in the soon to be ranks of the newly
unemployed, and the country going into recession. All this was forecast by the Government, Chancellor, and
head of the bank of England, plus many other prominent figures, as an immediate aftermath.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Well, unless you're speaking for the whole 16.2m that voted for remain, it is also pertinent to point
out that a good proportion of that number only voted how they did, because they were terrified of
the immediate 10% tax rise, the good possibility of their being one of the soon to be legion of the newly
unemployed, and the country going into recession. All this was forecast by the Government, Chancellor, and
head of the bank of England, plus many other prominent figures as an immediate aftermath.
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Indeed. I'm not the one claiming that people not necessarily knowing what they were voting for is "a fabrication" though.
 
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