Another new Brexit thread

[blueinsa]

Yeah and the Civil Service.
In fact let's exclude Remainers from all walks of public life.
Been here before I think.

You are a shining example of constantly including leavers in your thoughts and solutions to this issue.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Yeah and the Civil Service.
In fact let's exclude Remainers from all walks of public life.
Been here before I think.

The fact is you can't have someone firmly opposed to something involved in inacting it. Common sense to most people.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I haven’t seen it but he might be right. We have a potential Prime Minister openly talking about closing businesses ‘with a heavy heart’ just to get this over the line

People can ‘believe’ in Brexit all they like but it’s a matter of fact that if tariffs are imposed due to ‘no-deal’ companies will go to the wall. You and others might think it’s worth it, but I don’t

Being a member of the EU results in some UK businesses closing. But that get brushed under the carpet. Why do you think the Jap car companies are winding down their interests in the UK. EU trade deal with Japan results in no tariffs so no need to build cars in the UK. Cheaper to build in Japan and Import.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Being a member of the EU results in some UK businesses closing. But that get brushed under the carpet. Why do you think the Jap car companies are winding down their interests in the UK. EU trade deal with Japan results in no tariffs so no need to build cars in the UK. Cheaper to build in Japan and Import.

Business close all the time for s variety of reasons, I am aware of that. But on the whole the economy is better served by being a member of the largest trading block in the world

Japan and EU have a trade deal with no tariffs so they make Japanese cars in Japan. I’m not overly sure why you think that is relevant as us leaving the EU will not result in replacement car factories sprouting up

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Business close all the time for s variety of reasons, I am aware of that. But on the whole the economy is better served by being a member of the largest trading block in the world

Japan and EU have a trade deal with no tariffs so they make Japanese cars in Japan. I’m not overly sure why you think that is relevant as us leaving the EU will not result in replacement car factories sprouting up

Surprised you are unable to link the two issues. Back in the 80s the Japanese wanted to sell cars in Europe, to avoid import tariffs they built factories in the U.K. after grants help from Thatchers gov. Now their is a global slump in demand for cars. Back in Feb this year the EU and Japan agreed a trade deal which meant no 15% import tariff for cars manufactured outside the EU. So no need for them to keep factories in the UK when you have massive overcapacity. The counter argument to this is if we left we could put a tariff on Japanese imports which might make them consider keeping more of their plants open to allow competitive access to our market . We have a large trade deficit with Japan. So that would work in our favour.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Very little benefits of leaving , it’s clear to see. Only trump card Brexiteers have is that the vote to leave should be implemented, they don’t care about the damage it could cause and how it’s shaping up to be a massive fail. It’s leave at all cost now, that’s the tribal mentality. Whole thing is very sad.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Surprised you are unable to link the two issues. Back in the 80s the Japanese wanted to sell cars in Europe, to avoid import tariffs they built factories in the U.K. after grants help from Thatchers gov. Now their is a global slump in demand for cars. Back in Feb this year the EU and Japan agreed a trade deal which meant no 15% import tariff for cars manufactured outside the EU. So no need for them to keep factories in the UK when you have massive overcapacity. The counter argument to this is if we left we could put a tariff on Japanese imports which might make them consider keeping more of their plants open to allow competitive access to our market . We have a large trade deficit with Japan. So that would work in our favour.

That hasn’t worked in the US with Harley Davidson, has it? They still fucked off despite threats of tariffs. Also the German car manufacturers haven’t come to our rescue so I’m not sure the Japanese will....

Slightly off topic - I’ve got a Mazda, if it was up to me we’d ban the import of all Japanese cars to put their owners out of any potential misery. I’ve grown to hate the car!

 

[Ban-jani]

I thought we had got past sweeping generalisations like this?

Who am I generalising?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Enough if this nonsense. There's a world cup final about to start. Comon England.

 

[BobKowalski]

A lot of people would think that the journalist was only doing her job - no?

And re Tice - given the journalist has said:
“Richard had nothing to do with the cables. He has never seen them, never handled them and was not involved in acquiring them."

“Tempting though it is to put two and two together to make 55, there is no link between him and the ambassador story.”

Are you and others, not in danger of jumping to conclusions?

Tice however was ready to jump once the story was out with his outrage at the Ambassador and demands that a pro-Brexit Ambassador be installed in his place. Nothing like knowing a story is about be broken and getting your message out there before anyone else has time to react. Curiously he was remarkably uninterested in who the leaker could be nor was he concerned how this affair damaged UK interests.

Also fun to note how this ‘journo’ was quick to publish these communications that damaged U.K. interests but failed to publish communications relating to Arron Banks and his Russian links. Perhaps the fact she is on Bank’s payroll may have led to this oversight.

 

[BobKowalski]

The fact is you can't have someone firmly opposed to something involved in inacting it. Common sense to most people.

I look forward to seeing millions of people being excluded from public service jobs, including the armed forces and police force, for lack of Brexit orthodoxy. Do you think we should open re-education camps for people who persist in thinking that cooperating with our nearest neighbours on trade and security matters is important? Only common sense to make sure people are ‘re-trained’ to think the right way.

 

[George Hannah]

I look forward to seeing millions of people being excluded from public service jobs, including the armed forces and police force, for lack of Brexit orthodoxy. Do you think we should open re-education camps for people who persist in thinking that cooperating with our nearest neighbours on trade and security matters is important? Only common sense to make sure people are ‘re-trained’ to think the right way.

Negotiating a withdrawal treaty falls inside the job description of millions does it? I think you should reserve a place for yourself at the camp.

 

[BobKowalski]

Surprised you are unable to link the two issues. Back in the 80s the Japanese wanted to sell cars in Europe, to avoid import tariffs they built factories in the U.K. after grants help from Thatchers gov. Now their is a global slump in demand for cars. Back in Feb this year the EU and Japan agreed a trade deal which meant no 15% import tariff for cars manufactured outside the EU. So no need for them to keep factories in the UK when you have massive overcapacity. The counter argument to this is if we left we could put a tariff on Japanese imports which might make them consider keeping more of their plants open to allow competitive access to our market . We have a large trade deficit with Japan. So that would work in our favour.

So your response to the EU and Japan signing a trade deal to open each other’s market and boost trade is to put a tariff on Japanese imports so that they do the same to our exports and reduce trade whilst betting this ‘hostile’ act will force Japanese companies to stay here?

Not sure you guys in charge of the ‘Global Brexit Britain - Open For Business’ brand have quite understood the brief.

 

[west didsblue]

Being a member of the EU results in some UK businesses closing. But that get brushed under the carpet. Why do you think the Jap car companies are winding down their interests in the UK. EU trade deal with Japan results in no tariffs so no need to build cars in the UK. Cheaper to build in Japan and Import.

Has it crossed your mind that had the UK been involved in the EU/Japan trade deal discussions we may have insisted on some safeguards for the Japanese plants in the UK. As we were leaving we would have had no involvement and it would have been less of an issue for the rest of the EU due to the disproportionate number of Japanese plants in the UK compared to elsewhere in the EU.

 

[BobKowalski]

Negotiating a withdrawal treaty falls inside the job description of millions does it? I think you should reserve a place for yourself at the camp.

I take it you missed the calls for our civil service, diplomatic corp and military to be purged and be staffed with only those who ‘believe in Brexit’. Or when are Judicary rule on a case that is deemed to be anti-Brexit you miss the front page splashes calling them ‘Enemies of the People’.

It seems when you take the Brexit Shilling it impairs the ability to see or hear what is right in front of you.

 

[George Hannah]

I take it you missed the calls for our civil service, diplomatic corp and military to be purged and be staffed with only those who ‘believe in Brexit’. Or when are Judicary rule on a case that is deemed to be anti-Brexit you miss the front page splashes calling them ‘Enemies of the People’.

It seems when you take the Brexit Shilling it impairs the ability to see or hear what is right in front of you.

Civil servants and members of the armed services have their duties determined by the government of the day and must obediently discharge their orders irrespective of their own private opinions. If they don't they should resign or be sacked or appropriately sentenced by court martial.
It's really that simple.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Why don’t we just put a bunch of pill heads in there then so everyone is happy?

Brexit has now moved past the argument for trade deals and freedom, it’s moved onto emotion.

A sure sign it’s dead.

What do you mean 'Why Don't we just put a bunch of pill heads in there' ..........theyve been in place since 2016

 

[Ban-jani]

What do you mean 'Why Don't we just put a bunch of pill heads in there' ..........theyve been in place since 2016

I thought they were on ketamine.

The useless bunch of dribbling idiots.

 

[BobKowalski]

Civil servants and members of the armed services have their duties determined by the government of the day and must obediently discharge their orders irrespective of their own private opinions. If they don't they should resign or be sacked or appropriately sentenced by court martial.
It's really that simple.

Civil Servants already do so and have done so since the idea of an impartial and professional Civil Service was first mooted. However that is not what is being discussed. What is being discussed is a Civil Service that is not impartial but staffed with individuals that believe in Brexit and it is this belief that dictates whether they should be employed or not.

This idea is gaining currency because Brexiteers are convinced the reason why we have not left the EU is down to officials and politicians having ‘remainer’ sympathies and having ‘no faith’ in Brexit and therefore not prosecuting it properly (notwithstanding the fact that our negotiating team did produce a legal means to exit the EU).

When you distill Brexit into an article of faith and perceive ‘lack of faith’ as being the main impediment to Brexit the only logical endpoint to this thinking is making sure everyone involved ‘believes in Brexit’. The PM must be a Brexiteer. The officials involved in EU negations must be Brexiteers. Our Ambassadors and their staff must be Brexiteers. Make sure the Police Chiefs overseeing any protests are Brexiteers. There will always be someone, somewhere who doesn’t believe hard enough and needs replacing.

Brexit is no longer about leaving the EU. It’s about trying to reshape our society. Where ideology is more important than expertise and pragmatism is replaced by blind faith. And in this world re-education camps are never too far away.

 

[carlosthejackal]

Amber Rudd confirms her department looking at hardship fund to help with potential increase in unemployment, homelessness and mental health problems in the event of no deal.