Another new Brexit thread

[yerwot?]

So who is going to build this border?

piece o' piss, if trump can build a wall across Mexico.....nit-pickin' by remainers......

 

[Ban-jani]

@blueinsa

@kevin horlocks wand

The UK and EU will be forced to put up the infrastructure, so neither break Most Favoured Nation.

What do you think would happen if we just left it open and did nothing?

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

@blueinsa

@kevin horlocks wand

The UK and EU will be forced to put up the infrastructure, so neither don’t break Most Favoured Nation.

What do you think would happen if we just left it open and did nothing?

Nothing.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

@blueinsa

@kevin horlocks wand

The UK and EU will be forced to put up the infrastructure, so neither don’t break Most Favoured Nation.

What do you think would happen if we just left it open and did nothing?

Nothing?

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Nothing?

Snap

 

[BobKowalski]

So in Ireland there is currently no border checks on goods coming from anywhere in the world into or out of Ireland because Sinn Fein don’t like it?

There are no border checks or hard land border between NI and the Republic. There is an EU sea border between Ireland as a whole and other non EU countries yes. The U.K. leaving the EU makes the current land border in Ireland an external EU border and if we leave the SM and CU this will automatically mean custom border checks on that border.

 

[Ban-jani]

Nothing.

We’ll then have completely open borders to the rest of the world, as per MFN.

What do you think will happen then?

@Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese thought I’d quote you too, considering you came to the same false answer.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

There are no border checks or hard land border between NI and the Republic. There is an EU sea border between Ireland as a whole and other non EU countries yes. The U.K. leaving the EU makes the current land border in Ireland an external EU border and if we leave the SM and CU this will automatically mean custom border checks on that border.

But bob the uk and Ireland have publicly stated they won’t build a border .

 

[blueinsa]

There are no border checks or hard land border between NI and the Republic. There is an EU sea border between Ireland as a whole and other non EU countries yes. The U.K. leaving the EU makes the current land border in Ireland an external EU border and if we leave the SM and CU this will automatically mean custom border checks on that border.

In theory yes but Dublin, Brussels and London have all said that a return to a hard border will not happen and that work is now underway to ensure that whilst checks will be needed, they will be kept to a minimum and be done away from the border.

Its come to something when a leaver can take what they say at face value whilst remainers still argue the toss over it ;-)

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

We’ll then have completely open borders to the rest of the world, as per MFN.

What do you think will happen then?

@Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese thought I’d quote you too, considering you came to the same false answer.

I refer you to my original point about our species managing to put a man on the moon 50 years ago.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

In theory yes but Dublin, Brussels and London have all said that a return to a hard border will not happen and that work is now underway to ensure that whilst checks will be needed, they will be kept to a minimum and be done away from the border.

Its come to something when a leaver can take what they say at face value whilst remainers still argue the toss over it ;-)

Don’t worry your pragmatic solution is the only one. Once we have solved this one get yourself prepared for Gibraltar.

 

[yerwot?]

this thread is getting like a doubles match at wimbledon, but with lemons instead of strawbs
New balls please..

 

[Ban-jani]

I refer you to my original point about our species managing to put a man on the moon 50 years ago.

And it was an entirely terrible point.

The technology to send someone into space is completely different to that needed to check vehicles at a border and no matter how good the technology is, it still only covers the issues partly.

It’s like saying “well we can send someone to the moon, surely we can sort out climate change”.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

And it was an entirely terrible point.

The technology to send someone into space is completely different to that needed to check vehicles at a border and no matter how good the technology is, it still only covers the issues partly.

It’s like saying “well we can send someone to the moon, surely we can sort out climate change”.

Not really.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

this thread is getting like a doubles match at wimbledon, but with lemons instead of strawbs
New balls please..

Never mind new balls new arguments would be start.

 

[yerwot?]

And it was an entirely terrible point.

The technology to send someone into space is completely different to that needed to check vehicles at a border and no matter how good the technology is, it still only covers the issues partly.

It’s like saying “well we can send someone to the moon, surely we can sort out climate change”.

Bit harsh that, he obviously meant to post in the "joke" thread

 

[blueinsa]

We’ll then have completely open borders to the rest of the world, as per MFN.

What do you think will happen then?

@Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese thought I’d quote you too, considering you came to the same false answer.

We have zero intention of falling foul of MFN as seen by the publication of post brexit tariffs.

You are wrongly implying that we will.

 

[Ban-jani]

The simple truth is that Ireland, like most of the rest of the EU, don't want Brexit and if it happens they aim to keep us in a customs union and the single market to protect their own trading interests. Damaging the integrity of the UK's democratic process, together with the sabotage of any advantages we secure by leaving by such future arrangements, is of no significance to them.

If us staying in the SM and CU is to protect their own trading issues, surely it’s the same for us?

In that us staying would be be protecting our trading interests.

You’ve just accidentally made the case for Remain :-)

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Are you debating with me or bob?

Bob said Sinn Fein won’t have it?

Are you arguing for a border ?

Im a remainer......if you want to leave the Eu your party has to either

1) Convince the DUP to accept a border in the Sea (another £1 billion bribe of taxpayers cash might do it..... whilst people are queuing at food banks ) Knowing in your heart of hearts that eventually technology will solve it

2) Convince Northern Ireland and Eire to accept a customs border and the consequences of that.

3) Accept that Siin Fein may call for the reunification of Ireland and the subsequent break up of the Union because it will be followed quickly by the Scots.

4) Go for a hard Brexit and accept WTO rules .... no tariffs on incoming goods but lots of tariffs on stuff we export and the subsequent collapse of our agriculture and manufacturing industry (what's left of it after this fucking government)

5) Accept a customs union in the short term until technology solves the issue (but you won't because ...... Conservatives).


Its like a Rubik's cube on speed ...... your choice .... which are you going to go for? For me its 5 , but Im a remainer and prepared to compromise.

 

[Ban-jani]

We have zero intention of falling foul of MFN as seen by the publication of post brexit tariffs.

You are wrongly implying that we will.

Of course we’ve got zero intention of falling foul of MFN.

That’s why we’ll have to have infrastructure to ensure we don’t to check goods coming in and will apply tariffs.

Unless we adopt the backstop or stay in the CU.

There we go, argument closed.