Another new Brexit thread

[smudgedj]

Ollie robbins role.
A businessman not a civil servant

 

[Ban-jani]

I think you may be right, but if you look at the ammount of parliamentary working weeks / days there are before 31 Oct it's hard to see anything getting done either way. Even a labour no confidence motion would pretty much have to be tabled this week.

I’m utterly convinced we’ll have a GE next year, it’ll be announced in the coming weeks/months and the EU will grant us an extension.


(This is more wishful thinking but Lib Dem then campaign on a policy of Revoking and completely binning Brexit and we all hold hands skipping into the sunset)

 

[Vic]

It's a crucial issue, the leaders of France and Germany are as one on their federal agenda, it's the whole point of the European project and a condition of it working. Juncker is just their appointed lackey and apologist telling porkies. There's no misquote or reasonable doubt about the meaning of Hollande's speech at t

It's a crucial issue, the leaders of France and Germany are as one on their federal agenda, it's the whole point of the European project and a condition of it working. Juncker is just their appointed lackey and apologist telling porkies. There's no misquote or reasonable doubt about the meaning [URL='https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/07/uk-must-pay-price-for-brexit-says-francois-hollande']of Hollande's speech at the time

or his repetition of the threat word for word in the recent interview for the Panorama programme.

he time[/URL] or his repetition of the threat word for word in the recent interview for the Panorama programme.

So Hollande was telling the truth to suit your agenda and Juncker was lying to suit your agenda.

 

[Vic]

Seriously - what a proper weird post - strange??

So you have just posted that I requested:

"If you do feel the need to come back on and demand that we accept your views to be authoritative - I will be all ears.

But could you please start your dissertation with a compelling explanation of why your views should be considered to be more informed and authoritative and be taken as more considered than the...….."

And you did not do that and then you moan about me not bothering to read the rest....

Proper weird and self-indulgent post

To use your suggestion....

Just go away and bother other people because you clearly have nothing to back up your fanciful bluster - and I have, unsurprisingly, more interesting things to do

Obviously not. But he was right, you didn't respond to my go at Trimble on "consent".

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I’m utterly convinced we’ll have a GE next year, it’ll be announced in the coming weeks/months and the EU will grant us an extension.


(This is more wishful thinking but Lib Dem then campaign on a policy of Revoking and completely binning Brexit and we all hold hands skipping into the sunset)

Everyone seems very expectant, but I think the short parliamentary timeline between now and Halloween gives Boris the perfect excuse to do nothing at all and blame it on other people.

 

[Ban-jani]

Everyone seems very expectant, but I think the short parliamentary timeline between now and Halloween gives Boris the perfect excuse to do nothing at all and blame it on other people.

We’ll know sooner rather than later.

 

[mcfc1632]

Can the British Parliament instruct the PM to request an extension? If we don’t request one can the EU make us have one?

Is that not what has happened previously?

 

[hgblue]

Is that not what has happened previously?

I was under the impression Theresa May requested an extension? If Boris doesn’t request one can they force us to have one?

 

[dave_blue12]

Everyone seems very expectant, but I think the short parliamentary timeline between now and Halloween gives Boris the perfect excuse to do nothing at all and blame it on other people.

That's the Boris way !

 

[mcfc1632]

No I do not answer to your tune or requests.

You’re not running this forum.

I’ll post whatever I want, within CoC, until a MOD tells me otherwise.

I see you’ve tried to steer it away from the debate yet again.

Fancy giving an alternative to the backstop as per our discussion or are you going to continue to play the man?

Such avoidance and denial in this

Anyway, if you can ever possibly not need to have the last word, please leave me alone and go and bother someone else.

 

[mcfc1632]

Ollie robbins role.
A businessman not a civil servant

Thank fuck for that

Robbins has a lot to answer for

 

[mcfc1632]

Obviously not. But he was right, you didn't respond to my go at Trimble on "consent".

I would suggest that - unless you explain why - you are also not a more valid source of information over Trimble.

Cannot remember your post - but I thought that Trimble explained the primacy of consent really well.

And from that it is quite easy to see the Irish and EU games that are being played

Trimble was there in the thick of it - sorry - but, for me, he is more credible than BM nembers

 

[1.618034]

I’m utterly convinced we’ll have a GE next year, it’ll be announced in the coming weeks/months and the EU will grant us an extension.


(This is more wishful thinking but Lib Dem then campaign on a policy of Revoking and completely binning Brexit and we all hold hands skipping into the sunset)

LibDems want to bin Brexit, but only via a referendum. Their policy on this hasn't changed in 3 years so I can't see that happening now. I don't want a ref, but tbf that's probably the only way that it'll happen.

Everyone seems very expectant, but I think the short parliamentary timeline between now and Halloween gives Boris the perfect excuse to do nothing at all and blame it on other people.

Yep.

 

[Len Rum]

Thank fuck for that

Robbins has a lot to answer for

You still going on about that.
He was a civil servant acting under the instructions of the government, which is what civil servants do.

 

[aguero93:20]

I don’t think the ROI would want unification as a consequence of Brexit.

No we wouldn't, it would be as divisive as this fiasco in its own right. We'll not turn down any chance of reunification though.

 

[aguero93:20]

I don't think it's unreasonable to give credit to both NATO and the EU for the ongoing peace across the continent. It may be just coincidence that the only wars in mainland Europe since WW2 happened outside the EU in the former Yugoslavia.

And U.N. forces sorted that horrible mess out not NATO forces.

 

[aguero93:20]

Sorry - but it needs to be said.

You have received soooooo many replies to your posts that set out the views of many posters that you are just plain wrong

Your only response is to keep banging on with the repetition of someone that is unable to tolerate the questioning of their views because they 'place winning an exchange on an internet football forum' above listening to the views of others and engaging and undertaking some rational and objective analysis.

At the risk of disappointing you - a lot of us on here do not hold you to be the oracle on all things Brexit with your specialist subject being the GFA and the implications of the Irish Protocol for the GFA.

Probably shattering to hear - we are not sitting here waiting for you to tell us what we should think.

I hope that this is not too much of a crushing blow to you - but I did think that it needed saying.

Now, with regard to the GFA and implications of the Irish Protocol on the GFA, here are the views of someone that might be considered well informed.

(Spoiler - he clearly holds the view that the Irish protocol is absolutely not - as you insist: ".....the only way to protect the GFA" - indeed he sets out why instead, "... The Protocol ignores and undermines the very thing that makes the 1998 Agreement work....." and explains why: "...….The Protocol is not capable of upholding the Good Friday Agreement — it has run a coach and horses through it; it has driven it into the ditch....")

For those not minded to read a document of this length, I found this statement to be a valid summary:

"Far from protecting the Belfast Agreement as the EU27 claims, the Protocol, if implemented, would severely damage the working of the Agreement and destroy the principle and mechanism which holds it together — consent."

Personally, I feel that the protocol has been designed to ensure that, in the near future, there is a United Ireland - and to achieve this the views of the Unionists, by undermining the primacy of consent, can be ignored / set aside.

We hear so much about the risk of terrorism being reignited - it seems that the Irish Protocol could indeed guarantee that risk is increased due to the disenfranchising of the Unionist community.

If you do feel the need to come back on and demand that we accept your views to be authoritative - I will be all ears.

But could you please start your dissertation with a compelling explanation of why your views should be considered to be more informed and authoritative and be taken as more considered than the:

RT Hon Lord Trimble, the individual who won the Nobel Peace Prize for his role in securing the 1998 Belfast Agreement. This man was First Minister of Northern Ireland 1998-2002 and leader of the Ulster Unionist Party (UUP) from 1995-2005.

https://policyexchange.org.uk/wp-co...top-would-Wreck-the-Good-Friday-Agreement.pdf

The DUP should start representing the unionist community instead of their own ideology, we'll agree on that. Unionists were massively in favour of remain and the backstop.

 

[aguero93:20]

Isn't that what Letwin did when parliament took over government voting to put through one of the Greive amendments against the PM s wishes.

I might be wrong but I think Parliament can take over a proposed bill with an amendment but can't propose a bill themselves without government so theoretically government could stop them by refusing to propose anything. Null and void though as they'd go for no confidence in that scenario.

 

[smudgedj]

And U.N. forces sorted that horrible mess out not NATO forces.

Fuck.

Best I return that NATO medal I was granted for fighting in the former Yugoslavia.

 

[aguero93:20]

Fuck.

Best I return that NATO medal I was granted for fighting in the former Yugoslavia.

Ask for a UN one instead.