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George Hannah said:
Just need to observe our blue lines if necessary
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Now put that on map of Europe, it's really not very much water at all.
 
blueinsa said:
Today's remain brexit wheel of fortune has been spun and its landed on......................fish.
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And it started more as a question about how do remainers plan on assuaging the fears of remaining to all those who initially voted to leave.

So far it's been "UK fishing industry and it's jobs = insignificant". Hate to think what the opinions are of the rest of us. It's not about reaching a compromise, it's about telling the rest of us to shut up and deal with it... something they used to criticise leavers for doing, they now wholeheartedly embrace. Every argument is told from the perspective of "leavers wanting no deal". Makes debate frustrating.
 
blueparrot said:
Maybe leaving isn't the bed of roses they were promised and like many farmers they've changed their mind, probably the best deal for them is Mays WA, except leavers don't want it so it' either no deal or a bad deal that leaves them worse off. Or remain and try and get a better deal, mind you one of their biggest complaints are quotas that help preserve stocks from over fishing.. In he end though leaving or remaining can't be overly influenced by such a small industry.
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After all these pages, the answer is a shrug...

You starting to see why it's becoming difficult for leave voters to see remainers being genuine when they say they want a compromise? You want to get the leavers back on side in supporting the EU, but aren't prepared to approach any of our concerns or find solutions to make us support staying in as a member. You want us on side but offer no compromises. Or is it now that you don't care for our concerns and just want things your own way again?
 
blueparrot said:
Yes bored of it now.
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Then what the hell was it all for?

It proves the point I was initially making to begin with. Remainers don't actually care about leave voters concerns in regards to membership of the EU, so how can any of you rightly expect us to "support" remaining on the exact same terms when none of you are even prepared to address those concerns or accept we still have concerns?

Dismiss, ignore, irrelevant, insignificant. What a way to re-unite the political divisions in this country.
 
George Hannah said:
But it's fine for the Irish and the EU to jeopardise the GFA by trying to force a separation of the North from the UK via a different political and economic status. Sinn Fein now demanding a new unity referendum and Mary Lou McDonald insulting and threatening the UK as I type, if Johnson goes ahead with Brexit after meeting them he does so 'with his eyes wide open' as to the consequences for peace.
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I think you want your cake and eat it, too.
You started this off with a Brexit referendum without considering the consequences for the North under the GFA.
If I recall correctly we argued for a backstop consisting of a border down the Irish sea, which technically would work, but would leave NI citizens in a different situation to the rest of the UK. I think that is what you could feasibly describe as a forced separation from the UK, of sorts.
It was you who then negotiated and agreed the current backstop along the NI/Irish border because of the DUP's objections, only to discover that actually, you don't want that either.
Making any reference to Boris Johnson being fully aware of the consequences is on the one hand laughable and on the other horrifying, as he doesn't give a shit about Ireland, Northern Ireland or any of it's citizens whether they consider themselves British or not.
You've dug yourselves a big hole and find yourselves in the pit shouting abuse up at everyone else saying it's their fault that you didn't think to bring a ladder to climb out.
At the same time you keep digging, and expect someone to throw you a line.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Then you've paid no attention to them these past 4 years.

A humble sacrifice for remainers. Assauge their fears, assauge leavers fears, assauge leavers criticisms, and we'll likely get on board with the idea of remaining. But as Inbetween just mentioned, remainers haven't done this.
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Nothing to fear except fear itself, and lying propaganda. There, it's done.
 
Would love to have been a fly on the wall in Stormont today...in each of his meetings with the different parties. They are basically saying he has no clue whats going on

I despise Sinn Fein, but would love to see them tear him apart LOL
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Then it'll be the public's choice to decide if that is what they want, isn't it.

Facts are that the ECHR has nothing to do with the UK leaving or staying in the EU. The EU forces it's members to adhere to ECHR rules in order to become a member, non-EU members have the choice to adhere to them or not.
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Wrong yet again. We're a signatory, which means we sign up to the rules. Unless you're another Leaver who thinks we should just ignore treaties we sign.
 
Vic said:
Wrong yet again. We're a signatory, which means we sign up to the rules. Unless you're another Leaver who thinks we should just ignore treaties we sign.
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Is that like ignoring democratic election results?
 
blueinsa said:
Is that like ignoring democratic election results?
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I don’t think you can reasonably suggest the referendum result has been ‘ignored’. Since the referendum, we’ve had 3 Prime Minister’s, 1 General Election, countless hours on tv and radio discussing, Parliament grinding to a halt early as they have no time to discuss other issues as Brexit is taking up all the hours God’s sends, we’ve had 3 Brexit secretaries, 2 Foreign Secretaries and 3 votes on us leaving which has been voted down because it doesn’t conform to fantasy

Brexit is a lot of things, but it certainly isn’t neglected
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Well at the moment your political representation of Northern Ireland on Brexit is is the dup in Westminster and I am sure they don’t represent the full spectrum of views on Northern Ireland

I think getting stormont up and running at this time would give some focus and bring some sensible debate and hopefully northern Irish interests are represented on all sides and a political voice . Like the Scottish parlaiment does .

I imagine being directly ruled from England isn’t great at this delicate time
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Is it even a possibility under the GFA.
It certainly would not go down well.
The sticking point with Sinn Fein attending Westminster is the oath of allegiance.
Personally I think they should take their seats, but this should have been addressed under the GFA.
Considering we changed our constitution maybe a compromise could have been made making NI a special case, which it is despite what the DUP have you believe.
They didn't want and still don't want any differentiation from the rest of the UK and they voted against the GFA (the only party).
They don't like any change at all and would be quite happy keeping the place back in the 1940's.
 
Blue Hefner said:
I don’t think you can reasonably suggest the referendum result has been ‘ignored’. Since the referendum, we’ve had 3 Prime Minister’s, 1 General Election, countless hours on tv and radio discussing, Parliament grinding to a halt early as they have no time to discuss other issues as Brexit is taking up all the hours God’s sends, we’ve had 3 Brexit secretaries, 2 Foreign Secretaries and 3 votes on us leaving which has been voted down because it doesn’t conform to fantasy

Brexit is a lot of things, but it certainly isn’t neglected
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We've also had two departure dates; Still haven't left though, have we.
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
Majority of people here voted to remain...so to appease the will of the people, we shouldnt have to be thrust back into the troubles. the border is not being weaponised (great pun)....its not some wee inconvenience we should just put up with for your sake
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Appreciate all that

Why is that more valid than a significant majority of England voted to leave - why should England and the English voters not occasionally get some equal rights?

Its been 3 years of Scotland and Ireland - and I do mean Ireland rather than N. I.
 
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