Another new Brexit thread

[Metal Biker]

Nobody wants a No Deal except Sinn Fein and their friends, fortunately it probably won't happen.

We'll ljust likely stay in, which was the plan all along.

 

[George Hannah]

We'll ljust likely stay in, which was the plan all along.

It's certainly the Cummings plan now.

 

[Blue Hefner]

We've also had two departure dates; Still haven't left though, have we.

No. Because certain Leave MPs(among others) voted against it. We could have left but Reece-Mogg and his crew were unhappy with the terms - it could be argued he is ignoring the result

 

[Metal Biker]

No. Because certain Leave MPs(among others) voted against it. We could have left but Reece-Mogg and his crew were unhappy with the terms - it could be argued he is ignoring the result

Terms than a remainer PM and remainer MP's backed by a remainer majority Parliament negotiated and then rejected because it would have meant leaving the EU.

Why else would the remainer MP's reject the WA?

 

[Blue Hefner]

Terms than a remainer PM and remainer MP's backed by a remainer majority Parliament negotiated and then rejected because it would have meant leaving the EU.

Why else would the remainer MP's reject the WA?

That's democracy. That is the Parliament people voted for and given no Parliament is tied by the last, it's just the way it goes. It was never going to be perfect, we should just accept our lower standing in the world, put this farce down to experience and move on

 

[mcfc1632]

cant agree mate. I think if we leave with no deal, Scottish independence will happen within 3 years. Scots will be back in the EU within 5 years and will manage ok.

That would all be fine. Scotland should be allowed to determine their own future - as should England.

I look forward to the advocates setting out how they will deal with border issues and how they will perform an about turn and argue that trade with neighbours closest to you is not important

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Would love to have been a fly on the wall in Stormont today...in each of his meetings with the different parties. They are basically saying he has no clue whats going on

I despise Sinn Fein, but would love to see them tear him apart LOL

So he's got them all agreeing on something. Respect.

 

[Metal Biker]

That's democracy. That is the Parliament people voted for and given no Parliament is tied by the last, it's just the way it goes. It was never going to be perfect, we should just accept our lower standing in the world, put this farce down to experience and move on

Many MP's voted against what their constituents and the voting majority, wanted to see.

 

[blueinsa]

I don’t think you can reasonably suggest the referendum result has been ‘ignored’. Since the referendum, we’ve had 3 Prime Minister’s, 1 General Election, countless hours on tv and radio discussing, Parliament grinding to a halt early as they have no time to discuss other issues as Brexit is taking up all the hours God’s sends, we’ve had 3 Brexit secretaries, 2 Foreign Secretaries and 3 votes on us leaving which has been voted down because it doesn’t conform to fantasy

Brexit is a lot of things, but it certainly isn’t neglected

It was a direct reply to a poster who would happily ignore the result of the ref saying leavers ignore treaties we have signed.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Terms than a remainer PM and remainer MP's backed by a remainer majority Parliament negotiated and then rejected because it would have meant leaving the EU.

Why else would the remainer MP's reject the WA?

Which in a nutshell shows why your form of parliamentary government was either never capable or totally ill-prepared to have this issue sorted by a referendum.
This wasn't thought through.
When we have a referendum to alter our constitution, by and large we see the text we are voting for or against.
We don't rely on parliament to decide how to do it afterwards.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

This thread honestly

There is a hypothetical debate about no deal when all posters and politicians in both sides say they want a deal and Boris has already said that he expects a two year transition cone 31/10

There is another hypothetical debate about the return of the troubles as apparently we are now building the Berlin Wall between north and south when both the U.K. and Ireland have stated categorically there will be no border

But let’s not get reality get in the way of a good scrap

 

[Metal Biker]

Which in a nutshell shows why your form of parliamentary government was either never capable or totally ill-prepared to have a this issue sorted by a referendum.
This wasn't thought through.
When we have a referendum to alter our constitution, by and large we see the text we are voting for or against.
We don't rely on parliament to decide how to do it afterwards.

Well when you put your faith in your elected representatives to carry out the wishes of the electorate they claim to represent and not their own interests, only to see them do the opposite, democracy, regardless of what form it takes, falls through.

 

[Machiavelli]

Are the posters who spend day and night on this thread unemployed? Have no relationships?
I picture some of you sat alone in a dark one room bed sit in a dirty off-white vest either posting on here or reading up on their particular version of Brexit.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Well when you put your faith in your elected representatives to carry out the wishes of the electorate they claim to represent and not their own interests, only to see them do the opposite, democracy, regardless of what form it takes, falls through.

The failure of brexit is entirely separate to the failure of brexit.

Brexit was always going to fail. People were sold a load of lies and half truths that could never be delivered. Here we are 3 years down the line and it still cant be delivered.

Democracy is the way we will get out of this mess. We will ultimately get tired of the lies and vote in a competent government.

 

[Metal Biker]

Are the posters who spend day and night on this thread unemployed? Have no relationships?
I picture some of you sat alone in a dark one room bed sit in a dirty off-white vest either posting on here or reading up on their particular version of Brexit.

Spoken like someone who has no connection to the current state of affairs regarding employment for many people.

Hours are shit, barely made 21.5 this week.

 

[Metal Biker]

The failure of brexit is entirely separate to the failure of brexit.

Brexit was always going to fail. People were sold a load of lies and half truths that could never be delivered. Here we are 3 years down the line and it still cant be delivered.

Democracy is the way we will get out of this mess. We will ultimately get tired of the lies and vote in a competent government.

May organises a WA with the EU. The EU accepts the WA is the only way to leave the EU. The WA is an agreed upon and negotiated method to leave with the EU. A way to leave the EU is delivered.

The opposition and the ERG rejects it. I can understand the ERG, but why the opposition Labour MP's, SNP etc.

 

[Len Rum]

Are the posters who spend day and night on this thread unemployed? Have no relationships?
I picture some of you sat alone in a dark one room bed sit in a dirty off-white vest either posting on here or reading up on their particular version of Brexit.

Hey you, lay off @blueinsa !

 

[Machiavelli]

Spoken like someone who has no connection to the current state of affairs regarding employment for many people.

Hours are shit, barely made 21.5 this week.

Get on your bike!

 

[Vic]

It was a direct reply to a poster who would happily ignore the result of the ref saying leavers ignore treaties we have signed.

Treaties are binding, unlike the referendum.

 

[Vic]

Are the posters who spend day and night on this thread unemployed? Have no relationships?
I picture some of you sat alone in a dark one room bed sit in a dirty off-white vest either posting on here or reading up on their particular version of Brexit.

But but but ... there's somebody WRONG on the internet!