Another new Brexit thread

[Metal Biker]

No compromise, no mercy..........

Still on your war footing i see buzzer?

We're "criminals" now.

 

[Blue Hefner]

You frame width?

I don’t know what the issue is. The LBC website has share I.e Facebook or Twitter and ‘embed’ which gave that link

 

[cibaman]

The current Republic's constitution and they'd be governed by Dublin at national level and county councils at local level. Don't think that's the immediate way to go though.

Isn’t that a significant barrier to unification ? It seems much more likely that there would be a yes vote in the north if they were guaranteed some form of devolvement and power sharing, rather than having to hope for a subsequent referendum, post unification, to deliver it.

 

[Ban-jani]

My main issue with the WA was that, and that it was perceived the people of NI were not happy about it. If the EU is prepared to renegotiate the matter of the customs union, allowing us freedom to make our own deals without interference, plus with the knowledge the majority of NI are not concerned by the backstop, i'd be in favour of Parliament passing it.

As would I.

I still don’t know why labour are against it though. It’s the same as their Brexit.

 

[aguero93:20]

Isn’t that a significant barrier to unification ? It seems much more likely that there would be a yes vote in the north if they were guaranteed some form of devolvement and power sharing, rather than having to hope for a subsequent referendum, post unification, to deliver it.

It does and it also seems the least divisive and disruptive way to go about it. We could possibly play around with agreeing any devolved status beforehand and giving the Dail the authority 'in escrow' to make the necessary changes.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Isn’t that a significant barrier to unification ? It seems much more likely that there would be a yes vote in the north if they were guaranteed some form of devolvement and power sharing, rather than having to hope for a subsequent referendum, post unification, to deliver it.

Sounds logical to continue to operate a devolved government but it looks at Tithe na Parlaiminte rather than Westminster instead,

 

[BobKowalski]

Given the history...Sinn Féin leadership meets Belfast shipyard workers at Stormont

 

[Saddleworth2]

That would all be fine. Scotland should be allowed to determine their own future - as should England.

I look forward to the advocates setting out how they will deal with border issues and how they will perform an about turn and argue that trade with neighbours closest to you is not important

Your describing supporters of Brexit rather than Scots who will think things through and then vote. Anyway, by then we will just copy what is set up for NI.
My head says it will be tricky. My heart wants to distance Scotland from Westminster in general and the Tory party specifically for ever. And before you ask, we have a long line of legitimate grievance that puts your future risk EU stuff into some kind of perspective.

 

[smudgedj]

Do brexits expect remainers to "compromise".(surrender). Any change is a bad change when what we have is the very best available. Only fools negotiate with criminals and expect to win
Revoke is the only way, no compromise no mercy and no more fkin' lies

We don’t require your ‘surrender’ Merely your acquiescence.

 

[BobKowalski]

We don’t require your ‘surrender’ Merely your acquiescence.

Resistance is futile...

 

[smudgedj]

Resistance is futile...

I prefer Pellegrini’s ‘Nunca nos damos por vencidos’

 

[lancs blue]

I am foremost a proud Mancunian and everything else is secondary to that. I tick the box British if I am answering a questionnaire, I rarely consider myself English because English identity is distinct from Mancunian identity in my eyes. I see England as London and the Home Counties. I just don't have much in common with them and they don't with me.

I'm as much Salfordian as Mancunian (born in one, educated in the other) but otherwise that's also a fair summary of how I identify.

The point about the Union coming about via a combination of military force and political chicanery is one that I think many English people overlook - there were no referendums in Scotland and Ireland in 1707 and 1801 respectively, the Acts were voted through in unrepresentative parliaments in both Edinburgh and Dublin as well as London.

 

[mcfc1632]

Ireland and the EU are not threatening terrorism...and if anything, theres probably more threat of violence from the loyalist community

The Irish issue is not new, it hasnt emerged because of brexit

But it has been shamelessly weaponised by the EU, supported by a self-serving Varadkar and therefore they have increased the chances of it occurring and directly responsible if it does

 

[mcfc1632]

Fuck me is Bannon simply the latest bogey man that Remainers are going to associate Leavers to?

I keep seeing his name repeatedly in their desperate attempts to

I had never heard of the fucker when I cast my vote and I bet few people had

FFS - give all this demeaning by association a rest - it's pathetic

 

[mcfc1632]

TBF, you're right...yes it would help....but the DUP and Sinn Fein are both hateful cnuts...sensible debate is wishful thinking

Fair enough and well said

But why should all of England and Wales be held forevermore in a political straightjacket and casually ruled by the EU due to this historic nonsense of hateful cunts

Does that not just reward them and pander to terrorists?

Can you not see why that irks?

 

[mat]

Fuck me is Bannon simply the latest bogey man that Remainers are going to associate Leavers to?

I keep seeing his name repeatedly in their desperate attempts to

I had never heard of the fucker when I cast my vote and I bet few people had

FFS - give all this demeaning by association a rest - it's pathetic

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...Q2YIpq7e4x0Nq2qVVeZZH7HsEQ8mAcGbEScyoj2lFyfbh


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...cumentary-tory-leadership-trump-a8970881.html

 

[yerwot?]

Fuck me is Bannon simply the latest bogey man that Remainers are going to associate Leavers to?

I keep seeing his name repeatedly in their desperate attempts to

I had never heard of the fucker when I cast my vote and I bet few people had

FFS - give all this demeaning by association a rest - it's pathetic

demeaning by association doesn't mean demeaning by association as well you know.
Rawk. FFS. :)

 

[mcfc1632]

And where will Europe get it's fish from in return?

I am not sure that difficult - even if obvious - questions are appreciated :-)

 

[mcfc1632]

I think much of leave is about misplaced nationalism and patriotism. The only thing the hard leavers in my office mention is how to stick it up Merkel/Macron/Juncker/*Insert EU politician here*.

They are fundamentally not interested in the detail which is why the remain side putting forward arguments on economics and the details of the Irish border is stupid. This reaction completely misunderstands why people voted to leave.

The only reason people fear a border in NI/Ireland is because of its history of anti-British terrorism. Arguing to remain on the basis of fear of that terrorism certainly won't appease the patriotic or nationalistic.

The only way remain can win this argument and reconcile leavers is to paste a positive light on our existing membership of the EU, and I don't mean any future where we become a more integrated part of it.

Some on here want us to remain and I am one of them. The problem and where I disagree with some remainers is they argue to remain on economics but then let slip another goal which is the ultra remain united Europe....

The EU Parliament is currently majority controlled by left leaning social democratics who largely believe in a united Europe. It is therefore obvious why people fear relinquishing control to these people by us remaining. Has remain helped alleviate their fears though? Nope, all remain has done is attacked the idea of leaving and that isn't enough.

What a brilliant post

I am hoping to find a large number of Remainers applauding and agreeing with it in the coming pages - indeed, hopefully a good number extending thanks for your considerate explanation of why they have been 'getting it wrong' for 3 years

A different approach may have persuaded some/many Leavers that it is 'not worth the hassle' - the approach they have taken has only entrenched the views of leavers - not smart debating

 

[AlexWilliamsGloves]

Fair enough and well said

But why should all of England and Wales be held forevermore in a political straightjacket and casually ruled by the EU due to this historic nonsense of hateful cunts

Does that not just reward them and pander to terrorists?

Can you not see why that irks?

Perhaps it would be nice to finally have a say in our own destiny....ya know following 200 years of oppression...or more recenty following over 3000 deaths we finally come together for a peaceful future and yet again the english tear it away...can you see how that irks?

Our (my) concern is what happens to NI and following through on all the hard work we, as a community, have sweated (literal) blood for..