Another new Brexit thread

[blueinsa]

Yep. Just a small sniff of it though.

Says the Irish republican.

Glorious.

 

[Metal Biker]

At the minute no as it’s part of a UNION. The EU forms trading partnerships from a stronger position of power as a joint multi-country trading block. You must understand this?!

I’m guessing you’re aren’t that stupid and you actually do understand what a union is and the rules of its governance.

I understand what a union is, but in an ever increasingly globalist world, I no longer consider it's role as being important. And it is quite clear to me that the interests on the people living on this island are very different to those on the continent, yet we're prohibited from following that path because of this "union" we're in, one we have voted to leave, but did not vote to join.

We joined the EEC, a trade union, not this political EU. All this talk of "power!" "Governance". That's not what we signed up to initially and is not what we want now. We could easily become part of a European trade union that continues to represent it's members in negotiating with these other "superpower blocs", so-called, without all the political attachments required of being represented.

That's all we wanted. Others however, prefer this concept of a "federal Europe", something we are opposed to.

 

[aguero93:20]

Says the Irish republican.

Glorious.

I'd say that makes me well qualified to recognise it in others and comment. Come back when I claim to be an Irish nationalist yet think Ireland is best placed to govern other nations.

 

[mcfc1632]

Which bit sounds sensible then?

All aspects of No-deal preparations

We either have integrity and respect the democratic process or cave into the self-serving EU acolytes and the millions that just fear change

If we are to show integrity - given May's fuck up - planning for No-deal is just plain commonsense - about time

 

[aguero93:20]

I understand what a union is, but in an ever increasingly globalist world, I no longer consider it's role as being important. And it is quite clear to me that the interests on the people living on this island are very different to those on the continent, yet we're prohibited from following that path because of this "union" we're in, one we have voted to leave, but did not vote to join.

We joined the EEC, a trade union, not this political EU. All this talk of "power!" "Governance". That's not what we signed up to initially and is not what we want now. We could easily become part of a European trade union that continues to represent it's members in negotiating with these other "superpower blocs", so-called, without all the political attachments required of being represented.

That's all we wanted. Others however, prefer a federal Europe, something we are opposed to.

So you voted for people that want Singapore on Thames, because you want to be an EECA country.

 

[blueinsa]

I'd say that makes me well qualified to recognise it in others and comment. Come back when I claim to be an Irish nationalist yet think Ireland is best placed to govern other nations.

You mean like Northern Ireland?

 

[Vic]

In a nutshell

Did he read my last post on bluemoon?

 

[AlexWilliamsGloves]

You mean like Northern Ireland?

we cant govern ourselves never mind other nations

 

[bugsyblue]

I understand what a union is, but in an ever increasingly globalist world, I no longer consider it's role as being important. And it is quite clear to me that the interests on the people living on this island are very different to those on the continent, yet we're prohibited from following that path because of this "union" we're in, one we have voted to leave, but did not vote to join.

We joined the EEC, a trade union, not this political EU. All this talk of "power!" We could easily become part of a trade union that continues to represent it's members, without all the political attachments. That's all we wanted. Others however, prefer a federal Europe, something we are opposed to.

Very good. Let’s see what we do with this “power” and where we end up. Because if you think spending billions to leave this federal union and doing trade deals separately will leave the man on the street better off then I’d love to be able to bottle up your optimism and sell it - then I can buy an island and live in bliss.

 

[aguero93:20]

You mean like Northern Ireland?

I've said before (many, many times) I want a two state solution, as @AlexWilliamsGloves will confirm, I don't think they should be brought directly under a Dublin Parliament. Next?

 

[blueinsa]

So you voted for people that want Singapore on Thames, because you want to be an EECA country.

Staggering hypocrisy given your own countries status as a tax haven for companies.

 

[Metal Biker]

So you voted for people that want Singapore on Thames, because you want to be an EECA country.

Not at all.

I voted to be a "world" country, one that governs itself, but trades openly with everyone. Why doesn't Ireland want a Political Union with Britain? Or would you prefer a trade partnership where each nation governs itself but helps each others economy? Same situation, just reversed.

End the politicsation of Europe and i'd reconsider membership. EU is refusing to do so, so I want out.

 

[aguero93:20]

Staggering hypocrisy given your own countries status as a tax haven for companies.

Lol. Higher VAT, higher income tax, higher CGT, higher stamp duty, higher CT on investment income, higher DRT, higher tax inn shareholding. No access to the likes of the IOM, the Cayman Islands etc etc... Cheek.

 

[blueinsa]

Lol. Higher VAT, higher income tax, higher CGT, higher stamp duty, higher CT on investment income, higher DRT, higher tax inn shareholding. No access to the likes of the IOM, the Cayman Islands etc etc... Cheek.

Tax haven.

Your only issue is someone being better at it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business...t-corporate-tax-haven-say-academics-1.3528401

 

[MillionMilesAway]

we cant govern ourselves never mind other nations

I've seen the DUP governing the benighted masses at Westminster. And therefore Poor England is being governed by a tiny minority! Down with this type of thing! Down with all those who consort with the tiny group of tyrants who think they can stamp their polarised views on the masses!

 

[aguero93:20]

Not at all.

I voted to be a "world" country, one that governs itself, but trades openly with everyone. Why doesn't Ireland want a Political Union with Britain? Or would you prefer a trade partnership where each nation governs itself but helps each others economy? Same situation, just reversed.

End the politicsation of Europe and i'd reconsider membership. EU is refusing to do so, so I want out.

Britain already governs itself. All the EU does is give us all more influence when it comes to trade negotiations. Your Parliament has always been sovereign, they've just used the EU as a scapegoat for their fuck ups, aided and abetted by a Murdoch led isolationist right wing press.

 

[aguero93:20]

Tax haven.

Your only issue is someone being better at it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business...t-corporate-tax-haven-say-academics-1.3528401

Read your own article mate.
The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), an intergovernmental club for rich countries, says Ireland does not meet the definition of a tax haven.

OECD officials have said tax havens are countries with “a zero tax rate, no transparency or exchange of information, and [where multinationals have] no real operations on the ground”.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I understand what a union is, but in an ever increasingly globalist world, I no longer consider it's role as being important. And it is quite clear to me that the interests on the people living on this island are very different to those on the continent, yet we're prohibited from following that path because of this "union" we're in, one we have voted to leave, but did not vote to join.

We joined the EEC, a trade union, not this political EU. All this talk of "power!" "Governance". That's not what we signed up to initially and is not what we want now. We could easily become part of a European trade union that continues to represent it's members in negotiating with these other "superpower blocs", so-called, without all the political attachments required of being represented.

That's all we wanted. Others however, prefer this concept of a "federal Europe", something we are opposed to.

Do you not see the world heading that way anyway ?

We are becoming more globalised nowadays thanks to freedom of movement, cheap travel and work commitments.

Climate change, health and safety, terrorism all brings intertwining between nations and continents and obviously the economic sector does aswell - you need rules to apply all this together.

Do you really see England in say 50 years time trading by its own rules,abiding by its own laws and closing the walls to the rest of the world when it comes to those issues ?

I wouldn’t want sudden federalistic change but it’s inevitable that will happen in the future - the younger generation will embrace this and that’s all that matters really.

 

[Metal Biker]

Very good. Let’s see what we do with this “power” and where we end up. Because if you think spending billions to leave this federal union and doing trade deals separately will leave the man on the street better off then I’d love to be able to bottle up your optimism and sell it - then I can buy an island and live in bliss.

I don't want "power" I want the focus to be on the people living here, to improve their lot in life by spending resources and finances on us, not problems in the world. I've never grown up with "Rule Britannia", i'm not a flag waver, which is why the ever growing "power" of the EU is starting to disgust me. I don't like "superpowers", don't see the purpose of "political" unions as they rarely address issues from either side, or mostly anger one side or the other and generally don't wish to have the UK be seen to contribute towards such an eventuality for Europe and the people of Europe.

We have to give the EU a contribution towards a budget which is spent elsewhere. Nothing else, just it's own vanity project. How much did the new EU Parlaiment building cost? How much do EU MEP's earn? How much does the entire EU Parliamentary setup cost? It's a complete waste of european citizens taxpayers money, all so some old men in suits can act billy big bollocks with ambassadors and representatives from China and the US at swanky dos they've paid for.

I wanted reform of the EU, to focus less on politics and more on it's members citizens. That has not transpired, so when asked would I leave it or stay in it, am I expected to lie and say "remain" or say no, i'm not happy with this "Union"?

 

[blueinsa]

Read your own article mate.
The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), an intergovernmental club for rich countries, says Ireland does not meet the definition of a tax haven.

OECD officials have said tax havens are countries with “a zero tax rate, no transparency or exchange of information, and [where multinationals have] no real operations on the ground”.

Singapore on Liffey indeed.