Yet something tells me they wont and that something is they tend to think along the same lines as what I and others do here in that they gave us the vote, the right to decide and they promised to honour and deliver on it.
Even ardent remainers think that way by and large and will advocate a second ref but not this.
Yep could be seen so - and I largely expect thisOn that basis it would also be fully democratic for Parliament to revoke A50 if a majority of MPs agreed.
We can’t revoke, amongst other reasons, we’d have absolutely no credibility with the EU as the Leave campaign would start immediately. But as far as I’m concerned Leaving without a deal is bang out of order and is taking a vote based on ‘easiest deal in history’ and the like and turning it on it’s head
By all means leave. But do so that doesn’t cripple people. Brexit isn’t worth another recession, is it?
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It'll take much longer than anyone anticipated, but I agree that in the end a deal will be done and it won't be to anyone's preferred outcome, but the emphasis must be placed on avoiding disruption.Despite what is said on here the vast majority of us leavers, myself included generally agree and think that a deal will be done.
Too much at stake and too much money involved all round for it not to and i accept some will say that's pie in the sky thinking, i tend to think its the reality of the world we live in.
Which element of the uk, the two thirds that did not vote for any form of brexit, or the one third that have morphed the ref into a free pass for the erg/far right to trample over any resistance . Lies at every turn, denials, and misquotes by the train load, backed and led by the media.Any form of brexit would be a disaster for most and nirvana for a tiny handful, a bunch of crooks led by a sinister career liar a marriage made in tory hq.
Despite what is said on here the vast majority of us leavers, myself included generally agree and think that a deal will be done.
Too much at stake and too much money involved all round for it not to and i accept some will say that's pie in the sky thinking, i tend to think its the reality of the world we live in.
It'll take much longer than anyone anticipated, but I agree that in the end a deal will be done and it won't be to anyone's preferred outcome, but the emphasis must be placed on avoiding disruption.
The only way to get them to vote yes to anything is to load the question with double negatives.The DUP are another loony party whose only policy is to disagree with everyone.
What part are you in?I’m in Ireland just now. What a lovely country with fantastic friendly people. Wish I could stay. When Brexit is mentioned they look at you with a mixture of sympathy and compassion and wish us best of luck. The feeling I get from those that I have spoken to are that they are taking the right stance re the backstop and the EU will continue to support them.
Oh, the Guinness is almost as good as the the seafood.
I can't read it all but I'd sack the sub editor for allowing that first paragraph in the paper. Quite the crappiest opening sentence I've seen in a "serious" newspaper for years. I've not known him for a quarter of a century...Francois the voice of reason and cleverer than Johnson? Heaven help us
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...monstrating-eu-tory-party-has-non-negotiable/
There might not be time to consult.My opinion is that we don’t revoke without a 2nd vote. Whether that’s another referendum or a GE I don’t care.
If a party campaigns in a GE on the basis of revoke and gets in, then that’s fair enough.
I wouldn’t be for the government to just revoke and to bin Brexit without consulting the public in either of the above.
How do you feel about your fellow Leavers (I think sycophants is your go-to word) who blame Labour for not supporting the WA and backstop?I cannot be bothered either with 'terms' like democratic or undemocratic
Simple fact is an unfettered backstop us shockingly bad and should be rejected by any and everyone that care for the best interests of the UK
Simple as that - IMO you and all others should simply agree or else not complainif you are considered to put winning petty squabbles on an internet forum ahead of the UK’s interest
Johnson wants a deal where not much changes for two years. I quite like that. Then once we're out, the EU can amend Article 50 so that any member state that leaves can re-enter on the same terms it had but with another big financial penalty for all the trouble.Despite what is said on here the vast majority of us leavers, myself included generally agree and think that a deal will be done.
Too much at stake and too much money involved all round for it not to and i accept some will say that's pie in the sky thinking, i tend to think its the reality of the world we live in.
Are you suggesting our PM is not above the corruption of insider dealing?Well yeah. You know it's quite remarkable that the propposition can be made for a no deal brexit but noone is asking for the specifics about tarrifs once that would come about. Seriously though you enpower the man at the top to pretty much mess with the economy at choice and the sheer opportunity for insider trading is absolutly rediculous because of it. Afterall ... youre going to have tarrifs, .. so how much on what? Thats a pretty darn important question in economic terms, you can make people or break them depending on the values you choose here especially if you actually dont mind the consumers interrest all too much.
I don't know anyone who was ideoligically committed to the EU. It just works.Unfortunately the mps don’t live in our world and a pragmatic deal won’t get voted through as parlaiment is full of perfectionists who won’t compromise on any side . Getting a deal voted is just so hard
It’s either no deal or revoke and that just depends how damaging no deal would be once we get there
Being in the Eu has gone beyond a debate based on pros and cons now it’s an ideology
Johnson wants a deal where not much changes for two years. I quite like that. Then once we're out, the EU can amend Article 50 so that any member state that leaves can re-enter on the same terms it had but with another big financial penalty for all the trouble.
I don't know anyone who was ideoligically committed to the EU. It just works.
The ideologues are those who would trash the economy to be "free".