No it isn't. We can trade under WTO rules from November 1st. Some trade may not be possible on November 1st, but to say that all trade stops on November 1st is just wrong.My point is that we will have to have to make agreements from the get go and from the point of us leaving it will cease. Johnson is hoping to strike smaller deals to get trade going but the point is he’ll have to do that or we won’t trade.
That’s a fact mate.
Yes, I understand that from no trade, you're now onto significantly diminished.I’m trying not to break CoC but you’re misunderstanding basic sentences now.
I said “on November 1st, we won’t be exporting to the EU”. I then said “we’ll look to strike smaller deals but these will in no way be close to Single Market membership”.
You’re the only one that’s mentioned the “middle of November”.
My point is that trade will be significantly diminished and that’s certain should we leave on October 31st without the WA.
By the middle of November we will trade with the EU, in a SIGNIFICANTLY DIMINISHED way. As we will with the rest of the world, when we have to go out and strike new deals.
Can you confirm you understand this now? Please for the love of god understand what I’ve said.
The GFA is flawed, though.
Let's say, for argument, that the result of the referendum had been 75%-25% in favour of leaving. Would you still say that the UK couldn't leave because of the GFA? That would be repressing a significant number of a nation's people. If in the future Ireland vote to leave and we're still in, how would that pan out? It might sound implausible but you never know what might happen if there's another global crash and Trump seems to be helping things on their way there. Experts have already said the Euro is extremely vulnerable to global issues.
Brexit might be ignoring parts of the GFA, but hiding behind the GFA is ignoring other significant issues as well.
Quite achievable with a No Deal Brexit and a corrupt incompetent government.And funnily enough, a ridiculous comparison which is only peddled by delusional lefties.
The poverty rate in Venezuala - the REAL poverty rate - is close to 90%. And yet that's what we should "aspire" to, apparently.
My average annual wage is around £8-11,000 (depending on hours) and I don't consider myself "in poverty" either.And funnily enough, a ridiculous comparison which is only peddled by delusional lefties.
The poverty rate in Venezuala - the REAL poverty rate - is close to 90%. And yet that's what we should "aspire" to, apparently.
Don't say that, it was just getting interesting, I prefer the digging;)No it isn't. We can trade under WTO rules from November 1st. Some trade may not be possible on November 1st, but to say that all trade stops on November 1st is just wrong.
That's the fact mate. Sometimes better to just admit you got it wrong (or said it wrong) rather than keep digging.
That is true, but it still makes it an uncomfortable agreement because it is essentially binding two countries together beyond the issue it was designed to resolve. Any agreement between nations should have mutual respect that one or the other may want to revisit all or part of it in the future. Whether this is possible, I don't know. Obviously it will be very tricky and sensitive.Ok thats fair enough with your last sentence. I struggle to see how we can uphold the GFA completely and leave with no deal, US Congress has then said they’ll veto a free trade agreement if we fuck with the GFA, we need to be very careful here.
I know it is, and you deserve a medal for it!My average annual wage is around £8-11,000 (depending on hours) and I don't consider myself "in poverty" either.
No it isn't. We can trade under WTO rules from November 1st. Some trade may not be possible on November 1st, but to say that all trade stops on November 1st is just wrong.
That's the fact mate. Sometimes better to just admit you got it wrong (or said it wrong) rather than keep digging.
Fishermen are among the most ardent Brexiters, angry with the Common Fisheries Policy, which they say severely hampers their business.
LBC reporter Matthew Thompson went to Fraserburgh to speak to them and, while they still want to leave the EU, the bosses of the company warn that the customs problems caused by a no-deal Brexit may kill the industry.
Graeme Sutherland, the director of Whitelink Seafoods, told LBC: "As a company, we export into Europe at a rate of 85-90% of what we produce here.
"We are working on a next-day delivery into France for distribution into Europe. So if we are delayed in any way in clearing customs, in effect, we are going to lose 24 hours on delivery.
"We need frictionless borders. It has to be that for our industry to survive."
Yes, I understand that from no trade, you're now onto significantly diminished.
So, nothing at all on the first of November is being exported to the EU, please don't tell us you didn't say that,
because it's above in black and white. Then, we'll be looking to strike smaller deals,
and again, your prediction is trade will be significantly diminished.
OK.
Fishermen are among the most ardent Brexiters, angry with the Common Fisheries Policy, which they say severely hampers their business.
LBC reporter Matthew Thompson went to Fraserburgh to speak to them and, while they still want to leave the EU, the bosses of the company warn that the customs problems caused by a no-deal Brexit may kill the industry.
Graeme Sutherland, the director of Whitelink Seafoods, told LBC: "As a company, we export into Europe at a rate of 85-90% of what we produce here.
"We are working on a next-day delivery into France for distribution into Europe. So if we are delayed in any way in clearing customs, in effect, we are going to lose 24 hours on delivery.
"We need frictionless borders. It has to be that for our industry to survive."
You gave your opinion - it does not surprise me and I respect it
I have mine - can you not respect my right to hold it?
In - say - a 150 years from now the UK wanted to make some self- determination with regard key policies - should the UK not be allowed to because of the GFA?
That is true, but it still makes it an uncomfortable agreement because it is essentially binding two countries together beyond the issue it was designed to resolve. Any agreement between nations should have mutual respect that one or the other may want to revisit all or part of it in the future. Whether this is possible, I don't know. Obviously it will be very tricky and sensitive.
The GFA is flawed, though.
Let's say, for argument, that the result of the referendum had been 75%-25% in favour of leaving. Would you still say that the UK couldn't leave because of the GFA? That would be repressing a significant number of a nation's people. If in the future Ireland vote to leave and we're still in, how would that pan out? It might sound implausible but you never know what might happen if there's another global crash and Trump seems to be helping things on their way there. Experts have already said the Euro is extremely vulnerable to global issues.
Brexit might be ignoring parts of the GFA, but hiding behind the GFA is ignoring other significant issues as well.
Oh don't worry, i'm with you totally on this.I know it is, and you deserve a medal for it!
But honestly, I think such reports (claiming 40% of children are living in poverty) are really damaging, because they completely undermine the essential and valid argument that millions of families and their children are struggling and not as well off as we would all like them to be.
Instead of us all agreeing on that, and then finding a consensus about what to do about it, we end up with a shouting match with people like me very reasonably saying what a load of bollocks.
Instead of effectively highlighting an issue, such reports just get binned in the "what a load of tripe" bin, and for those who can be arsed to read them, it just gets their backs up.
Oh don't worry, i'm with you totally on this.
When others try and compare UK's children with those living in parts of India or South America, which is true poverty, irritates me somewhat as it highlights just how well we look after people in this country. I agree that there is this culture within the UK at the moment to use hyperbolic language like "poverty" to raise awareness to an issue, which becomes disingenuous and rather insulting to the hard work done to provide clean water, warm homes, safe food, for millions of people; comparative luxuries we take for granted.
I'm not dismissing (the whole of) it as flawed, I'm saying there's a flaw in there. If Ireland vote to leave we have the same problem. We could even have the problem if both countries want to leave. I don't see that as being arrogant. And regard to the Euro collapse, I'm taking my information from various global sources, not just repeating UK rhetoric.Yes. Unless Brexit commanded a majority in all four of the UK’s constituent countries it should either a) not take place or b) the dissenting country or countries should be offered a further vote on what direction it now wants to take. It’s been over three years since the initial referendum vote and that is three years in which the future make up of the U.K. could have been debated in all four countries. Such debate would also have included Dublin as it has a real stake in this via NI and Brussels because the Brexit vote is not a unilateral action. As we have seen it’s impact is international and Europe wide.
Also 1) The GFA as it is now works. Dismissing it as flawed is dangerously arrogant and 2) the U.K. has been willing the collapse of the Euro since its inception. Ditto the EU. It’s here. Deal with it rather than wishing them both away.
It is a very tricky situation and it’s the fact that there are people in NI with Irish citizenship that makes the need for the binding to be a necessity.
It’s not perfect but it’s the very best out of a bad situation.
Limiting immigration.
Without involving politics too much, the Labour party are guilty of much of this hyperbolic nonsense. TryingOh don't worry, i'm with you totally on this.
When others try and compare UK's children with those living in parts of India or South America, which is true poverty, irritates me somewhat as it highlights just how well we look after people in this country and how some choose to ignore that to score political points. I agree that there is this culture within the UK at the moment to use hyperbolic language like "poverty" to raise awareness to an issue, which becomes disingenuous and rather insulting to the hard work done to provide clean water, warm homes, safe food, for millions of people; comparative luxuries we take for granted.
In my house, my wife and two kids have both British and Irish passports....im originally from England so i cant automatically get both (although i can apply for Irish citizenship as have been married to an "Irishwoman" for nearly 20 years...but thats a different discussion...)
Cant wait to see how their/our own countries work out whats best for us all :-)