Var debate 2019/20

[waspish]

Var will fcuk up scousers and the rags more than us especially regarding penalties the amount of times our players get told to get up when its a pen is like one a game!

 

[hertsblue]

Var will fcuk up scousers and the rags more than us especially regarding penalties the amount of times our players get told to get up when its a pen is like one a game!

Wouldn't hold your breath on that. Will still get soft free kicks and penalties. We all saw last year Smalling ripping Luiz's shirt of his back at a corner and Alti Taylor on Var did not flag it for refs attention. Plus the red v Wolves overturned to a yellow.

 

[lancs blue]

In addition where was VAR on 2 occasions Sterling was sent through and flagged when they were so close I thought the line was supposed to keep his flag down and let VAR decide.

Yes the assistants flagging for offside is not how I understood it to operate, I'm sure they're supposed to keep the flag down if it's anywhere near close. Other than that I'm generally supportive of it, definitely in favour of encroachment being sorted at pens.

 

[danielwood5]

I posted this in the other VAR thread but how can offside be given by millimetres when the camera isn't even fast enough to keep up with the players? For the second offside call Raheem is moving faster than the camera can capture properly which is why he's blurry in the picture so how can a call as tight as the first offside be made?

 

[colorado blue]

The problem is they are trying to make it as absolute for offside as it is for goal line technology but that is not possible. Nothing worse for the game not knowing whether to celebrate or not. They have completely removed the benefit of doubt towards the attacking team. I think they need to change rule to any body part can be in an onside position at least.

 

[Chippy_boy]

The only way this will ever work is if it's completely computerised, with a chip inside the ball and chips in players' boots and "Hawkeye" like technology. So the system knows exactly when the ball is struck and exactly where every player is on the pitch, to within millimeters.

For it to work it needs (a) to be *instant*, so that when someone scores, *immediately* up on the screen flashes "GOAL", or "NO GOAL". None of this hanging around for 2 minutes bollocks.

And second, we need to completely remove human judgement from the equation (which is required to fulfill the "instant decision" requirement anyway). You don't get McEnroe style tantrums in tennis anymore because Hawkeye has completely removed any subjectivity. "Computer says no" and that's final.

If we implemented it like that, then it could be good. But I can't see the powers that be going for this in a year of Sundays.

 

[scousemanc]

When you see people on Twitter arguing over which point of Sterling's shoulder the vertical should be drawn from, you know it's VAR gone mad. Having said that, VAR is generally an improvement in decision making and I think it will benefit City more than others. The cricket review system is brilliant - quick, accurate and transparent. I think we should give football VAR time to bed in and in particular allow "umpire's call" for fuzzy decisions.

 

[cleavers]

Unfortunately I think VAR will go against City more than in favour simply because of the way we play & attack compared to other teams.

We normally play & attack with fine margins rather than shooting from distance.

I think our players will adjust their margins as it develops.

Watching the "BT score" programme, and they're discussing decisions in all games as they happen with Walton.

Its actually quite interesting listening to his views, not been much yet, just one potential red card, and the other pundits were 50/50 on yes/no having seen it, but he explained the decision was made on field, and he thinks most will remain on field, and they're not going to be rushing to the monitor much even though it is available, which is a good move.

 

[jollylescott]

Not it’s biggest fan but the penalty retake was hundred percent correct , Rice was a good three yards inside the box as it was taken and cleared the rebound off the keeper

I thought the keeper was off the line and initially thought that was the reason for the re-take, but from what they were saying on my coverage the keeper off the line will not be subject to a VAR decision.

 

[SebastianBlue]

I posted this in the other VAR thread but how can offside be given by millimetres when the camera isn't even fast enough to keep up with the players? For the second offside call Raheem is moving faster than the camera can capture properly which is why he's blurry in the picture so how can a call as tight as the first offside be made?

Goes back to this question I plan to put to the FA and PL (not that I will actually get a response):

Genuine question for the PL and FA:

What is the median margin of error for the camera assessment system used for VAR offside analysis across all stadiums in the league?

 

[Metal Biker]

The only way this will ever work is if it's completely computerised, with a chip inside the ball and chips in players' boots and "Hawkeye" like technology. So the system knows exactly when the ball is struck and exactly where every player is on the pitch, to within millimeters.

For it to work it needs (a) to be *instant*, so that when someone scores, *immediately* up on the screen flashes "GOAL", or "NO GOAL". None of this hanging around for 2 minutes bollocks.

And second, we need to completely remove human judgement from the equation (which is required to fulfill the "instant decision" requirement anyway). You don't get McEnroe style tantrums in tennis anymore because Hawkeye has completely removed any subjectivity. "Computer says no" and that's final.

If we implemented it like that, then it could be good. But I can't see the powers that be going for this in a year of Sundays.

But if we did it that way, we'd take away the importance of the referee who is at the centre of the stage, I mean pitch.

There, the referee stands, all eyes upon them, as they and they alone hold the fortunes of thousands in their grasp. A hushed silence descends upon the stadium. We await, our hero (or villain) ready to give their verdict....


...and...


"No goal"

Could you live with yourself, taking away that moment from the likes of Mike Dean!?!

 

[cleavers]

I posted this in the other VAR thread but how can offside be given by millimetres when the camera isn't even fast enough to keep up with the players? For the second offside call Raheem is moving faster than the camera can capture properly which is why he's blurry in the picture so how can a call as tight as the first offside be made?

Walton explained that the technology the PL are using is very accurate, sounds like its more than we know, so it could be a hawkeye like set up, and that the managers and captains have all been shown it in action this week, and all were happy with it. We fans seem to be the ones least in the loop, and it would be good if one of the broadcasters went and saw how it is working, but the lines we are seeing are not what is being used, they are just for explanation purposes.

 

[chesterbells]

The problem is they are trying to make it as absolute for offside as it is for goal line technology but that is not possible. Nothing worse for the game not knowing whether to celebrate or not. They have completely removed the benefit of doubt towards the attacking team. I think they need to change rule to any body part can be in an onside position at least.

Celebrating happens in cricket, rugby league, American football, tennis etc.
doesn’t it?
I’m quite calm about VAR - it’ll iron out & we’ll all get used to it (or we better for our own sanity as it ain’t going anywhere)

 

[dubblue]

Celebrating happens in cricket, rugby league, American football, tennis etc.
doesn’t it?
I’m quite calm about VAR - it’ll iron out & we’ll all get used to it (or we better for our own sanity as it ain’t going anywhere)

The offside rule needs to be changed if there is even a remote chance for it to work, and not be the main talking point every week.

 

[Blue Mist]

Walton explained that the technology the PL are using is very accurate, sounds like its more than we know, so it could be a hawkeye like set up, and that the managers and captains have all been shown it in action this week, and all were happy with it. We fans seem to be the ones least in the loop, and it would be good if one of the broadcasters went and saw how it is working, but the lines we are seeing are not what is being used, they are just for explanation purposes.

But the vast majority on here are saying it is poor even though we won. It is not as if we are moaning after losing 1-0 with the winning goal being as a result of a very close VAR decision. If fans are complaining after winning 5-0 it surely highlights they have made it into a ridiculous situation. We appear to be talking about millimetres between offside/onside, surely that is just ludicrous.

 

[Dr Jacoby]

Jesus’s disallowed goal seemed more onside than the one that was given.

I can see many penalties being re-taken this season because goalkeepers always step off their line.

 

[danielwood5]

Walton explained that the technology the PL are using is very accurate, sounds like its more than we know, so it could be a hawkeye like set up, and that the managers and captains have all been shown it in action this week, and all were happy with it. We fans seem to be the ones least in the loop, and it would be good if one of the broadcasters went and saw how it is working, but the lines we are seeing are not what is being used, they are just for explanation purposes.

One of the broadcasters really should do a show on how VAR works in that case, I'd be really interested in seeing how it's done and to see what tolerances are used. They obviously can't use the cameras for it so how are they measuring these things? I don't know anything about Hawkeye (is that the one used in cricket?) but that could be possible if it uses GPS or something, I don't know how they would use it to decide where Sterling's shoulder ends and his arm begins for the first disallowed goal though. I must admit to being slightly dubious about it just because it's Walton though!

 

[Mancini Manus Domini]

The only way this will ever work is if it's completely computerised, with a chip inside the ball and chips in players' boots and "Hawkeye" like technology. So the system knows exactly when the ball is struck and exactly where every player is on the pitch, to within millimeters.

For it to work it needs (a) to be *instant*, so that when someone scores, *immediately* up on the screen flashes "GOAL", or "NO GOAL". None of this hanging around for 2 minutes bollocks.

And second, we need to completely remove human judgement from the equation (which is required to fulfill the "instant decision" requirement anyway). You don't get McEnroe style tantrums in tennis anymore because Hawkeye has completely removed any subjectivity. "Computer says no" and that's final.

If we implemented it like that, then it could be good. But I can't see the powers that be going for this in a year of Sundays.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[deano ou812]

It’s not right at all,they are taking it to far yes they decide it’s offside like the sterling shoulder one ( I actually thought that was not offside but his next one was which stood after check) as already posted by some it’s going right down to millimetres or even less,ffs by the rules of the game yes but anything that tight how actually can they say he’s gained an advantage over the defender unless your superman, it’s gone to far ...

 

[W12]

But the vast majority on here are saying it is poor even though we won. It is not as if we are moaning after losing 1-0 with the winning goal being as a result of a very close VAR decision. If fans are complaining after winning 5-0 it surely highlights they have made it into a ridiculous situation. We appear to be talking about millimetres between offside/onside, surely that is just ludicrous.

The same millimeters that Stones stopped Liverpool from scoring Aguero scored against Burnley.