Var debate 2019/20

It’ll end up being a half celebration with every goal from now. A muted celebration will kill the games atmosphere. Ultimately I can see people being turned off from going especially the middle aged to older guys who remember the good old days.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Goes back to this question I plan to put to the FA and PL (not that I will actually get a response):
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I hope they do get back to you as I'd love to see their response, it's a perfectly valid question too but it seems like they think that just telling fans that it's totally accurate and 'offside is either on or off' is adequate as we're all too thick to understand basic maths/physics.
 
chesterbells said:
Celebrating happens in cricket, rugby league, American football, tennis etc.
doesn’t it?
I’m quite calm about VAR - it’ll iron out & we’ll all get used to it (or we better for our own sanity as it ain’t going anywhere)
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I wouldn’t like to be sat near opposition fans having a goal I’ve just celebrated like mad ruled out.. guess fans will have to change the most with var..
Not comfortable with the “when the ball was kicked” ruling .. both could have been given taken away with a microsecond movement on the monitor..
I’d like to see clear daylight being introduced for off side , think it was this many moons ago but still you would get the synario of when was the ball kicked ..
 
Blue Mist said:
We appear to be talking about millimetres between offside/onside, surely that is just ludicrous.
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I agree, and the offside law will have to be changed, there's already been one good suggestion on here, that if any part of the player is onside then it should be a goal, this would be the new "level", lets see if it "develops" for these very marginal calls, but if the technology they're using is that accurate it won't matter so long as its right, its early days in its use, and at least the PL are not using in the farcical way FIFA did in the summer.
 
I’m sure it’s probably been said already, however imo there should be a couple of inches margin given to the attacker in the offsides, classed as “margin for error and giving the attacker the benefit of the doubt”.

That way it’d keep the game the way we like it.
 
W12 said:
The same millimeters that Stones stopped Liverpool from scoring Aguero scored against Burnley.
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Totally different. Goal line technology is easier as the line never moves and the ball which is moving has sensors throughout. That is totally different from someone/a computer deciding the exact moment a player kicks a ball and at the same time the exact moment some part of a players body is millimetres past the defender.
 
For TV viewers and match attendees you can't validate VAR offside decisions. There needs to be a split screen for VAR decisions. A box in the top left showing the passer and the rest of the screen the side view of the pitch. Then you can validate when the ball was played (when the passer touches the ball in the passing movement) and the offside view at the point where the ball was passed. On TV you can rewind it and replay to validate the decision.
 
Blue Mist said:
Totally different. Goal line technology is easier as the line never moves and the ball which is moving has sensors throughout. That is totally different from someone/a computer deciding the exact moment a player kicks a ball and at the same time the exact moment some part of a players body is millimetres past the defender.
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I think more will be in our favour this season than will go against us. Liverpool and Man United will be the two teams that will lose out due to the referees not being able to turn a blind eye to diving, dodgy pens etc.
 
danielwood5 said:
One of the broadcasters really should do a show on how VAR works in that case, I'd be really interested in seeing how it's done and to see what tolerances are used. They obviously can't use the cameras for it so how are they measuring these things? I don't know anything about Hawkeye (is that the one used in cricket?) but that could be possible if it uses GPS or something, I don't know how they would use it to decide where Sterling's shoulder ends and his arm begins for the first disallowed goal though. I must admit to being slightly dubious about it just because it's Walton though!
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Its an important step, so I agree one of the broadcasters need to do a documentary showing us the technology, if that happened then we might all feel better about it.

I'm no fan of Walton, I've seen him cheat far too often in games we've played, but its good to hear a referee explaining how its used, and it would be very good to see a documentary on it.

Hawkeye was first used in tennis I think, for line decisions, and its quite old, I think cricket then started using it as well, it may well be what the goal line technology uses now, I'm not sure, but it'll have developed considerably over the years.
 
BlueAnorak said:
For TV viewers and match attendees you can't validate VAR offside decisions. There needs to be a split screen for VAR decisions. A box in the top left showing the passer and the rest of the screen the side view of the pitch. Then you can validate when the ball was played (when the passer touches the ball in the passing movement) and the offside view at the point where the ball was passed. On TV you can rewind it and replay to validate the decision.
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Walton seemed to imply earlier that technology is being used to decide, which was shown to managers and captains this week.
 
Not read any of the thread. I hate VAR and it's now at the point where I only half celebrate every goal because of the possibility of it not standing, as such it is ruining my enjoyment of the game. I would rather take any number of injustices if it meant bringing back the spontaneity!
 
crazyadi said:
I thought it was " clear and OBVIOUS" errors 1mm in the armpit isnt clear and obvious!!
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Apparently not mate, even half a mm offside is enough to overrule a decision.

We just got one out of the way while comfortably leading, there'll be a lot of these late in tight games.
 
When it comes to arms/head/shoulders...it's simple to only apply them as offside only IF they are used in action of moving the ball...so a header or shoulder action.

Otherwise it should be knee or foot, whichever is furthest forward.

Not hard to fix is it?
 
This season is going to be a joke if today is anything to go by.

Didn’t matter to us today, but it will at some crucial point.

I thought the one they disallowed was a goal and the one they allowed might have been off.
The keeper did jump forward for the penalty, but if this is going to be the norm the stop start is going to ruin the enjoyment.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Goes back to this question I plan to put to the FA and PL (not that I will actually get a response):
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With Tv the frame rate is only 24 per second which adds to the margin of error It’s clear to me that if it’s so tight as to have to start drawing lines to determine a decision then that decision should stay with the on-field official There is also the fact that the camera is at an angle, in most cases, yet they draw a reference line, again a margin of error So you have a very valid question, unfortunately you won’t get an answer
 
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