The New Handball Law

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I have absolutely no problem with the rules, what I object to is the interpretation of the rules by those making the decisions.

Looking at the disallowed goal yesterday none of the criteria stipulated in the rules were met.

1. It IS an offence if a player deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm.

(Definitely not deliberate, even the officials would agree)

2. It IS an offence if a player gains possession/ control after it has touched their hand/arm and then either scores in the opponents' goal or creates a goal scoring opportunity.

(Laporte did not gain possession or control of the ball and the deflection did not create a goal scoring opportunity.)
Jesus had to run 2 yards to collect the ball, bring the ball under control, move the ball into an area where he could shoot and then strike the ball past 4 defenders and a goalkeeper. Jesus created the goal scoring opportunity, not Laporte. Now compare that to the goal disallowed last week in the wolves game where the Boly handball fell to the feet of a team mate who did not have to move other than to kick the ball into the net from 3 yards. Therefore a goal scoring opportunity was created by the hand ball.

3. It is NOT USUALLY an offence if the ball touches a player's hand/arm directly from the player's own head or body(including the foot)

Now it is hard to spot but in one of the angles shown it appears that the ball actually takes an initial deflection from Laporte's neck before heading to the arm area.

I have no problem with the rules. If the rules were applied properly then the goal would have stood as a perfectly good goal. VAR was introduced to eradicate mistakes by officials but when a stonewall penalty is not given and a perfectly good goal is chopped off then it is difficult to ignore that there may be an agenda to fuck us over.
 
What is really annoying after the shambles of yesterday is how the so called referees who made this call never have to explain their ridiculous decisions. They just close ranks and shut up shop. Total cowards.
 
It's literally insane to have different handball rules depending on whether you are an attacker or defender, it makes zero sense. If that ball yesterday hit a Spurs players arm in the exact same way, it's not handball because he's a defender, but because LaPorte is attacking it's apparently a handball? Who came up with this shit?
 
Everyone quoting the wrong rules or bleating about something different.

The rule is fine and VAR was spot on. Us missing 28 chances and conceding 2 soft goals was the problem.
 
Everyone quoting the wrong rules or bleating about something different.

The rule is fine and VAR was spot on. Us missing 28 chances and conceding 2 soft goals was the problem.

So the Rodri push in the area , which would have made it 2-0 and set the game up to hammer Spurs , has nothing to do with VAR ? . Lamela did not commit a foul on Rodri , is that what you are saying ? VAR was "spot on".
 
So the Rodri push in the area , which would have made it 2-0 and set the game up to hammer Spurs , has nothing to do with VAR ? . Lamela did not commit a foul on Rodri , is that what you are saying ? VAR was "spot on".

for the handball. We all know there are rag/dipper pens then ones we'll get at 3-0 up when they don't matter, that's no different to last season so no worth getting wound up by.

The key to VAR is that we'll be refereed as we always have been anyway but will get a few extra indisputable calls when they don't matter. In years gone by the ref would have just been told via the headset and pretends to give it himself, this year it's just being done to our face with a video screen. People wanting to magic solution are forgetting the political vipers nest we occupy both on and off the pitch.

As it turns out, they had a perfectly legitimate reason to do what Oliver wanted to achieve from the first whistle, much like the 3-2 against the rags and most of our CL exits where fluffing our finishing gives them the opportunity to stifle us.

we know the deal, we have to bury our opponents and give them no change otherwise we're at everyone's mercy.
 
Everyone quoting the wrong rules or bleating about something different.

The rule is fine and VAR was spot on. Us missing 28 chances and conceding 2 soft goals was the problem.
The rule is ridiculous. Football has been going over 150 years and until 2019 accidental contact of the arm on the ball was not handball for neither the attacker nor defender. That rule change is terrible and hinders the attacking team.

Also in terms of the law where it states that:
  • gains possession/control of the ball after it has touched their hand/arm and then:
    • scores in the opponents’ goal
    • creates a goal-scoring opportunity
Laporte didn’t gain control of the ball after it accidentally hit his arm and then create a goal-scoring opportunity. The ball accidentally hit Laporte’s arm and it went straight to Jesus.

That is not hand ball even by these new laws.
 
The rule is ridiculous. Football has been going over 150 years and until 2019 accidental contact of the arm on the ball was not handball for neither the attacker nor defender. That rule change is terrible and hinders the attacking team.

Yet, for nearly all of last season people on here were whinging about either Boly potentially costing us the league to the dippers with a handball or Llorente costing us in the CL with one. Ironic that the rule brought in to stop us being screwed by handball goals is the one that did for us, but that's life.
 
for the handball. We all know there are rag/dipper pens then ones we'll get at 3-0 up when they don't matter, that's no different to last season so no worth getting wound up by.

The key to VAR is that we'll be refereed as we always have been anyway but will get a few extra indisputable calls when they don't matter. In years gone by the ref would have just been told via the headset and pretends to give it himself, this year it's just being done to our face with a video screen. People wanting to magic solution are forgetting the political vipers nest we occupy both on and off the pitch.

As it turns out, they had a perfectly legitimate reason to do what Oliver wanted to achieve from the first whistle, much like the 3-2 against the rags and most of our CL exits where fluffing our finishing gives them the opportunity to stifle us.

we know the deal, we have to bury our opponents and give them no change otherwise we're at everyone's mercy.

Agree with other posts ,we should have been minimum 4-1 up at half time , but missed chances are part of the game , so when the run of the ball doesnt go for us and we are unlucky or players make errors , we need to depend on VAR and its apparent 100% accuracy ,which takes the "luck" out of the equation. The Rodri incident was a complete joke, that would have been an assault on the street .VAR is a good idea , its the clowns implementing the system that are the problem
 

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