Another new Brexit thread

[BlueHammer85]

this will backfire on Johnson big time

 

[BobKowalski]

Presumably if by some by miracle there were to be a deal we’d have a “short technical extension” to allow the legislation to go through?

And then you have Farage and the Brexit Party having a melt at a) resurrecting May’s deal and b) not respecting Brexit by bottling no deal. I mean have you taken note of what Farage has said? They ain’t going away and they will nail Boris’s bollocks to the alter of no deal. No deal is now Brexit. Anything else is a betrayal of Brexit and the Tories ain’t winning an election with a hostile Brexit Party, resurgent LibDems or the SNP winning back most of not all of the 13 Scottish seats.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Yep. Trouble with being clever little bastards is if Parliament isn’t able to block no deal what then? Is suspending Parliament at the time of crisis really the look they are going for? The U.K. drifting towards no deal no longer able to control its own fate? How will Scotland, Wales and NI react? Are we ready to be seen as a lone hostile actor in Europe and to have our actions condemned by countries within our own union? How will we react when it’s evident that the U.K. is only functioning via the largess of the EU with temp deals for a month or two over which we have no say or control? Are we really going to get an alternative Parliament sitting in protest? Will it lobby the Queen?

And all this banana republic shit because we didn’t like straight bananas.

We are making ourselves a mockery - more so than we have done so far and thats one hell of an achievement. Anybody we hope to do deals with will be looking on thinking that they will be able to take the piss and run rings round us in talks we are that amateurish - I have no doubt the EU and its citzens want to be rid of us more than Farage wants us to be rid of them. The EU will come back post No Deal to discuss trade and simply pick us off - it will be that easy.

 

[Blue Hefner]

I thought No-Deal was "a million to one"? Well, it was 2 weeks ago - has out plan to show the EU how "serious" we our not worked then? No one saw that coming..................

 

[BobKowalski]

Do you ever get bored of loving/ talking about the eu so much ? You’ve been on here every day talking about it.

Btw all you e done is said fuck it the vote and fuck the majority of people that voted leave

Initially I was for respecting the vote just do it sensibly. I was even ok with the WA. I mean it was shit but hey we voted for shit so there you go.

Now Brexit can get to fuck as can anyone shilling for it. If you can’t do it sensibly I ain’t up for wrecking the country over it.

 

[cibaman]

And then you have Farage and the Brexit Party having a melt at a) resurrecting May’s deal and b) not respecting Brexit by bottling no deal. I mean have you taken note of what Farage has said? They ain’t going away and they will nail Boris’s bollocks to the alter of no deal. No deal is now Brexit. Anything else is a betrayal of Brexit and the Tories ain’t winning an election with a hostile Brexit Party, resurgent LibDems or the SNP winning back most of not all of the 13 Scottish seats.

I did say “if by some miracle....”

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

The heat is being turned up now.

I never thought he had the balls seems he has.

 

[remember arthur mann]

I'm up for another Civil War !!

 

[BobKowalski]

I did say “if by some miracle....”

True :)

 

[blueinsa]

Soubry crying on the news is delicious.

 

[Vic]

I'm all for remaining and think Brexit is one of the worst decisions we've ever made - however all the Nazi mudslinging at leavers is beyond pathetic.

It's not mudslinging at Leavers (except at Farage).

Most Germans weren't Nazis. But Hitler took over parliament and they suddenly found they were all Nazis.

To quote Brecht (about Hitler):

The beast is dead but don't rejoice, you men. The bitch that bore him is in heat again.

 

[Metal Biker]

Soubry crying on the news is delicious.

The camera image wasn't.

Could see right up her nose!

 

[lancs blue]

I'm all for remaining and think Brexit is one of the worst decisions we've ever made - however all the Nazi mudslinging at leavers is beyond pathetic.

I agree about the mudslinging towards leavers in general - however in Johnson's case his attempt to avoid parliamentary scrutiny for no-deal has a definite parallel with how elected authoritarians have in the past cemented their power by subverting constitutional safeguards.

 

[blueinsa]

Fascist cunts.

Don’t call Anna that she will take you to court.

 

[Dribble]

Not really the House of Commons voted it down 3 times.

If it was a solution it would have passed but it didnt

It was voted down for political & ideological reasons, not because it wasn't the best solution to the Brexit mess.

As May repeatedly asked, what other solutions were there? Still several were proposed & none were acceptable, but yet we continued with an aimless, rudderless Brexit.

 

[BobKowalski]

The heat is being turned up now.

I never thought he had the balls seems he has.

It had to come to a head one way or another.

But sidelining Parliament, or at least attempting to, is just signalling you don’t have the votes to carry out effective governance and if Johnson can’t do that then what is the point of the Government? For ‘no deal’ legislation has to be passed. For a ‘deal’ legislation has to be passed. Limiting the time Parliament can sit to do either of these is an odd way to run a country.

 

[BobKowalski]

Hammond not impressed

‘It would be a constitutional outrage if Parliament were prevented from holding the government to account at a time of national crisis. Profoundly undemocratic.’

 

[Saddleworth2]

this will backfire on Johnson big time

I don’t think it will. The outcomes:
He either gets overridden by parliament but has done enough to act the arch brexiter to and steal Farage’s clothes and win a general election
He gets a slight refresh of the current deal and blackmails parliament into passing it as they believe the alternative is worse
He gets his no deal Brexit and still has enough support to win a general election against a divided ‘remain’ set of parties.
As someone on LBC said, reprehensible but cute move from no10.

 

[Dribble]

I have been looking at the facts since the early 90s - my views on the EU were formed many years before 2015.

I can readily see how people with the appropriate pre-disposition and desire to push a narrative can make the comparisons you do - god knows we have had it for over 3 years from many posters on here - although I credit you with setting a new benchmark.

When you say things like:

"I feel how uncomfortable you're becoming with this realisation.. and

"Don't feel ashamed"

You are just making yourself look a bit childish IMO - crack on

If you want to try and demonstrate some genuine analysis rather than all this nonsense

Have another go at:

"Certainly the EU have no need to find a solution for the backstop - and neither have the UK

Do you understand why?"

The attempt you just made was irrelevant to the question asked - try reading it first

You should try understanding my response better. I'll spell it out for you:

The Irish border is the issue.

The backstop was an agreed solution.

You quoted:

"Certainly the EU have no need to find a solution for the backstop - and neither have the UK"

So why would the EU need to find a solution for the backstop, when the backstop was their agreed solution with the UK government for the Irish border question?

I'll sit here patiently whilst you dig up an answer which makes sense.

Also, whilst you're at it, can you explain what your views on the EU were in the early 90s, & why?

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

It had to come to a head one way or another.

But sidelining Parliament, or at least attempting to, is just signalling you don’t have the votes to carry out effective governance and if Johnson can’t do that then what is the point of the Government? For ‘no deal’ legislation has to be passed. For a ‘deal’ legislation has to be passed. Limiting the time Parliament can sit to do either of these is an odd way to run a country.

Agree but it needs to come to an end

We are now at the vinegar strokes