Another new Brexit thread

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George Hannah said:
Indeed, and if we do so we need to call the EU a community or if you prefer a confederation, it is not de jure a federation.
It is currently a union of sovereign states whereas a federation is a single federal state with a central government, consisting of a number of partially self-governing federated states. (I am reliably informed :-) )
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That is the destination

All those not wanting to be part of it need to exit now
 
Vic said:
Well, not to wishing to repeat stuff, but the Leave promise / lie was specifically to rebut the idea that we'd have to renegotiate everything. And two months ago Gove said he couldn't support No Deal because of that very promise / lie. Shame that didn't last. But then like all the Tory leadership liars he was against proroguing Parliament.
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Tbf parliament hasn't been proroged in that sense, it's just standard procedure before a new Queens speech which is well overdue. It's rather perverse that this is seen as so procedurally out of order, by the very same folk that wish to bring down the govt or overturn procedures for their own ends. Once again it seems the integrity of democracy and parliament are only valid if it suits your purposes.
 
Len Rum said:
LOL.
You're not big on facts and evidence are you mate.
Let's have it then what are the arrangements post no deal brexit for UK citizens healthcare in the EU?
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He only needs to check the post two above his. He won’t though, or he’ll dismiss it as Project Fear.
 
Rascal said:
To be honest I don't really expect an answer. There is a paucity of right wing thinkers , there are right wingers of course, but overall on the right I consider there to be a lack of philosophical insight. When you consider somebody as vacuous as Roger Scrutton is seen as an eminent right wing intellectual then I am afraid it is barrel scraping. One of the biggest problems I see on the right is it has become almost wholly reactionary.
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He may be past it but a least get old Roger's name right ;)The cleverest conservative is supposed to be the Master of Balliol but now the Master is a Dame!!! This chap is always worth a listen too

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00057m8
 
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west didsblue said:
“– Should there be a failure to agree a withdrawal agreement by March 2019, access to reciprocal healthcare arrangements for UK citizens and residents within the EU, and EU citizens and residents within the UK, would end. This would lead to significant disruption to those individuals’ healthcare arrangements, an increase in costs of insurance, and uncertainty regarding accessing healthcare abroad. Moreover, the NHS would face a drastic increase in demand for services, which could dramatically increase its costs and place greater pressure on doctors and clinical staff.”
https://www.bma.org.uk/-/media/files/pdfs/collective voice/influence/europe/bma-brexit-briefing-reciprocal-healthcare.pdf?la=en
Are the BMA paid up members of Project Fear?
This is worth a read as well.
https://www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l5300
I’m sure it’ll all be fine though.
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I'm sure it will be fine as well.
https://www.imtj.com/articles/agreement-reached-reciprocal-healthcare-british-and-eu-retirees/
 
west didsblue said:
“– Should there be a failure to agree a withdrawal agreement by March 2019, access to reciprocal healthcare arrangements for UK citizens and residents within the EU, and EU citizens and residents within the UK, would end. This would lead to significant disruption to those individuals’ healthcare arrangements, an increase in costs of insurance, and uncertainty regarding accessing healthcare abroad. Moreover, the NHS would face a drastic increase in demand for services, which could dramatically increase its costs and place greater pressure on doctors and clinical staff.”
https://www.bma.org.uk/-/media/files/pdfs/collective voice/influence/europe/bma-brexit-briefing-reciprocal-healthcare.pdf?la=en
Are the BMA paid up members of Project Fear?
This is worth a read as well.
https://www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l5300
I’m sure it’ll all be fine though.
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Took that seriously until this bit:-
Moreover, the NHS would face a drastic increase in demand for services, which could dramatically increase its costs and place greater pressure on doctors and clinical staff.”

So, less people entitled to NHS results in a drastic increase?
 
Len Rum said:
LOL.
You're not big on facts and evidence are you mate.
Let's have it then what are the arrangements post no deal brexit for UK citizens healthcare in the EU?
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I will remind you of your facts when the planes are still flying Len ;-)

Why are you asking me? Its a football forum Len, we are all City fans so why you feel asking questions like what are the arrangements post no deal brexit for UK citizens healthcare in the EU i have no idea given that we haven't left the EU yet, certainly haven't left with no deal and until such a time we have and governments both here and in the EU have declared their policies then no one knows, your good self included.

Should we wait for all of that to come to pass or shall we play your game of you posing hypothetical questions that simply dont have answers as of yet?

I know for a fact that Spain and we are talking Spain have guaranteed medical and pension rights up until 2020 by decree so see no reason why given the importance to their economy the ex pat ( i know you hate that phrase) community brings that wont be extended in the exact same way we as a nation treats citizens from all over the world when they are in need.

That is as far as i am aware is the situation as of now.

The future.......who knows and that im afraid Len includes you.
 
Len Rum said:
Fazzakerley.
@blueinsa your challenge if you wish to accept it is to answer @west didsblue 's post.
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For the love......

The date mentioned came and went without agreement and nope.....the world didn't end, nor did the dramatic increase of cost and demand happen although I'm not sure how it could if we had left and FOM ended?

You want facts Len so deal in them.

Fuck all has changed as of yet.

You spout project fear, link to articles that support yet its all based on "ifs" and "coulds".

Those are your so called facts.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Took that seriously until this bit:-
Moreover, the NHS would face a drastic increase in demand for services, which could dramatically increase its costs and place greater pressure on doctors and clinical staff.”

So, less people entitled to NHS results in a drastic increase?
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You haven’t thought it through have you. Elderly retired people living in the EU may be forced to come back to the UK if they can’t access free healthcare where they are.
 
west didsblue said:
I’m sure an agreement in principle from two years ago when No Deal wasn’t a serious consideration is more authoritative than a report in the BMJ that specifically addresses a No Deal scenario.
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That deal from 2 years ago came in March of this year.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Tbf parliament hasn't been proroged in that sense, it's just standard procedure before a new Queens speech which is well overdue. It's rather perverse that this is seen as so procedurally out of order, by the very same folk that wish to bring down the govt or overturn procedures for their own ends. Once again it seems the integrity of democracy and parliament are only valid if it suits your purposes.
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Shouldn't have a Queen's speech until we know what's happening post 31st October. And what would be the point anyway as the Govt only has a majority of one and an election is needed?
In any case you don't need five weeks prorogation for a Queen's speech.
Stop trolling from your brexit risk free haven.
 
Len Rum said:
LOL.
You're not big on facts and evidence are you mate.
Let's have it then what are the arrangements post no deal brexit for UK citizens healthcare in the EU?
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As long as the health care arrangements for the 1.2 million UK citizens spread throughout the EU are similar to the 3 million EU citizens in the UK then what could be fairer.Although reading some of the gloom and doom on here I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would possibly want to leave the mainland EU utopia to come here anyway.
 
west didsblue said:
I’m sure an agreement in principle from two years ago when No Deal wasn’t a serious consideration is more authoritative than a report in the BMJ that specifically addresses a No Deal scenario.
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I don't know how many times this needs saying, but there is a reciprocal agreement with Spain.
The BMA report looks like it was from before this, and is still conjecture, in any case it's irrelevant,
deal or no deal, stick or twist, your place or mine, an agreement has been reached.
 
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