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Kazzydeyna said:
I stand corrected mate .You're quite correct. The last few years have all been about soaking the rich. I guess we had to because the taxes they were asked to pay 20-30 years ago were so light in comparison.

It was a miracle that we used to offer free prescriptions, free spectacles, free dental care, free university, subsidised social housing, AND pay average working people enough money to allow them to buy a house, run a car, and have a holiday every summer until the mid 70's. Then we joined the EEC. Where did it all go wrong?
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UK Government policy, perhaps? The right to buy but not building enough to replace them? Not supporting communities around dead and dying industries such a coal mining and car building?
Very little of what is going on and what has gone on can be blamed on the EU and the issues we may have as being members will not be solved by leaving

You mentioned companies bringing in workers to keep wages low. Besides there being little evidence of that, companies will either a) leave the UK if they don't have access to resources or if they need to go through the visa process then might as week get people even cheaper from India, Brazil, Sri Lanka etc. In addition, Police and nurses etc. haven't had a pay rise in around 10 years, that has absolutely nothing to do with the type of strategy you describe, it was Government policy - you can probably throw barristers, solicitors(legal aid cuts) and a variety of other professions as well
 
Blue Hefner said:
UK Government policy, perhaps? The right to buy but not building enough to replace them? Not supporting communities around dead and dying industries such a coal mining and car building?
Very little of what is going on and what has gone on can be blamed on the EU and the issues we may have as being members will not be solved by leaving

You mentioned companies bringing in workers to keep wages low. Besides there being little evidence of that, companies will either a) leave the UK if they don't have access to resources or if they need to go through the visa process then might as week get people even cheaper from India, Brazil, Sri Lanka etc. In addition, Police and nurses etc. haven't had a pay rise in around 10 years, that has absolutely nothing to do with the type of strategy you describe, it was Government policy - you can probably throw barristers, solicitors(legal aid cuts) and a variety of other professions as well
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But not MP's of course - they have continued to do alright
 
Kazzydeyna said:
I voted for brexit because, amongst other reasons, the EU is a white supremacists wet dream, you only have to look at its white is right immigration policy and watch the 1000's of drowned Africans on the shores of the Mediterranean to see that.

I voted fully in the knowledge that the right of politics in this country would conspire against my vote .

Where I was mistaken is that I believed (laughable now really I admit) that Corbyn would rally the left behind the millions of people like I that wanted to rid ourselves of this millionaires racist glee club .

I didn't legislate for Corbyn being just another full time right wing lying bastard.
Don't get me wrong, this denial of democracy sits foursquare at the door of the Tory party of course, but they have been ably aided and abetted by Corbyn and his liberal, middle class, doing-very-nicely-out-of-the-status-quo-thank-you-very-much cabal of liars,cheats, and hypocrites .

Put it this way, if brexit is denied Waitrose will run out of champagne and smoked salmon in minutes. There won't be a lot of celebrating in Clayton, or Beswick or many other poorer areas .
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I'd suggest that has more to do with them being neighboring countries than anything else.

Also, Corbyn is a right-winger now? Have you stopped for a moment to think that Brexit is a bad idea and the politicians and their advisers who know it is are trying to get to the least bad option? There is no good Brexit, particularly from a left-wing point of view and anyone that tries to deliver it will fail and anyone who still thinks there is will be left disappointed to the point of insanity
 
The blue phantom said:
There's a few ministers with not very big majority's.
And the cűnt at the tops own constituency could quite easily fuck him off, 17% swing to labour last time round, 15'000 majority down to 5'000. And Polls have it as a remain seat now.
Now that would be pissfunny if he was booted out.
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No chance mate. I've been working there for 10 years and they would quite literally vote for a monkey in a blue suit there. Same in the constituency next door where the 3rd generation of the Hurd dynasty does fuck all for a living. Him and BJ both live in Kensington and only visit their constituencies if they have to - idiots still vote for them.
 
Blue Hefner said:
UK Government policy, perhaps? The right to buy but not building enough to replace them? Not supporting communities around dead and dying industries such a coal mining and car building?
Very little of what is going on and what has gone on can be blamed on the EU and the issues we may have as being members will not be solved by leaving

You mentioned companies bringing in workers to keep wages low. Besides there being little evidence of that, companies will either a) leave the UK if they don't have access to resources or if they need to go through the visa process then might as week get people even cheaper from India, Brazil, Sri Lanka etc. In addition, Police and nurses etc. haven't had a pay rise in around 10 years, that has absolutely nothing to do with the type of strategy you describe, it was Government policy - you can probably throw barristers, solicitors(legal aid cuts) and a variety of other professions as well
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You make many good points which I 100% agree with in many ways but the answers (in my mind) are a socialist govt which is verboten in the EU . That is why so many Tories are in favour of denying my vote .
 
Kazzydeyna said:
I voted for brexit because, amongst other reasons, the EU is a white supremacists wet dream, you only have to look at its white is right immigration policy and watch the 1000's of drowned Africans on the shores of the Mediterranean to see that.

I voted fully in the knowledge that the right of politics in this country would conspire against my vote .

Where I was mistaken is that I believed (laughable now really I admit) that Corbyn would rally the left behind the millions of people like I that wanted to rid ourselves of this millionaires racist glee club .

I didn't legislate for Corbyn being just another full time right wing lying bastard.
Don't get me wrong, this denial of democracy sits foursquare at the door of the Tory party of course, but they have been ably aided and abetted by Corbyn and his liberal, middle class, doing-very-nicely-out-of-the-status-quo-thank-you-very-much cabal of liars,cheats, and hypocrites .

Put it this way, if brexit is denied Waitrose will run out of champagne and smoked salmon in minutes. There won't be a lot of celebrating in Clayton, or Beswick or many other poorer areas .
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There’s been some ridiculously wrong posts on this thread but I reckon this could be right up there.

Congratulations on not having a clue about anything.
 
BobKowalski said:
The Rebel Alliance Bill is published...TLDR it prevents the U.K. from leaving the EU on 31st October without a deal unless Parliament consents to do so

1/8 The European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 6) Bill 2019
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Have a read of paragraph 3(2j it states that

The eu can agree any extension it wants to and within 2 days of notice by the president of the eu, the UK Prime Minister MUST AGREE TO ANY SUCH EXTENSION.

Yeah that seems fair doesn’t it?

What a load of bollox.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Have a read of paragraph 3(2j it states that

The eu can agree any extension it wants to and within 2 days of notice by the president of the eu, the UK Prime Minister MUST AGREE TO ANY SUCH EXTENSION.

Yeah that seems fair doesn’t it?

What a load of bollox.
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I think you need to read the very next bit...
 
Vernon Bogdonor now reckons that Boris will seek a dissolution in the event of the exit date being changed. This would bypass the Fixed Term Parliament Act which prevented May from turning her deal into a Vote of Confidence. October 14th is favourite for the poll now.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Have a read of paragraph 3(2j it states that

The eu can agree any extension it wants to and within 2 days of notice by the president of the eu, the UK Prime Minister MUST AGREE TO ANY SUCH EXTENSION.

Yeah that seems fair doesn’t it?

What a load of bollox.
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But it has to be agreed by Parliament otherwise we don’t accept it? It does makes the PM a bit of a messenger boy though passing notes between Brussels and Parliament.
 
BobKowalski said:
But it has to be agreed by Parliament otherwise we don’t accept it? It does makes the PM a bit of a messenger boy though passing notes between Brussels and Parliament.
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Yep funny how on the eu side they are happy for the president to do things on behalf of the eu , yet in this country we are at the stage where the pm has no power at all.
 
Kazzydeyna said:
You make many good points which I 100% agree with in many ways but the answers (in my mind) are a socialist govt which is verboten in the EU . That is why so many Tories are in favour of denying my vote .
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The main hurdle to a socialist government in the UK is that there simply isn’t an appetite for one. Look at the latest general election, local elections etc- Corbyn and his ideas are not that appealing to the wider public
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Yep funny how on the eu side they are happy for the president to do things on behalf of the eu , yet in this country we are at the stage where the pm has no power at all.
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A PM is only as strong as his Parliamentary majority. If he has no majority then he has little power to direct Parliament or pass legislation. It’s just the way our system works.
 
meltonblue said:
I think you need to read the very next bit...
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I have read it, what power does our pm have in these negotiations - he does what the president of the eu tells him, unless the House of Commons tells him

We are a laughing stock. How on earth does this provision assist in any way with the pm negotiating a good deal with the eu, something seemingly we all want but when it comes to it the truth is many don’t.

It completely undermines the position of the prime minister and his ability to negotiate any deal,

Funny how the eu seem happy to work through the president but the uk doesn’t anymore.
 
BobKowalski said:
A PM is only as strong as his Parliamentary majority. If he has no majority then he has little power to direct Parliament or pass legislation. It’s just the way our system works.
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Well he needs to call an election then ASAP

And I have no idea how this legislation assists us getting any deal with the eu.
 
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