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Hesperus said:
According to reports....

Why are labour going to turn down the chance of a GE on 14th Oct? The only valid reason would be to stop Johnson being able to move the GE to after 31st Oct hence allowing a no deal Brexit to go through however, even with guarantees that the date will be 14th Oct, they would still oppose? I just don’t get it. Surely it’s the oppositions role to push for a GE?

The idea that they want to let Johnson stew doesn’t make any sense to me.
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They will vote against a GE because if there is a GE the British public will provide a mandate to leave.

With its actions the last few years the labour party can never again claim to represent the working class. Never. Ever. Again.

Ever .

They are just yet another right wing, smug, liberal, middle class bunch of elite wankers. They are worse, far worse, than the Tories.

The Tories don't deny being cunts, they just rely on people being daft enough to vote for them anyway.

This labour party has killed it's forefathers party and officially thrown it's lot in with the banks and the CEO class .
 
A GE will only result in another hung parliament so will resolve fa. Another extension will have us approaching the 4 year mark. A confirmatory referendum between rescinding A 50 and the only WA on the table needs to happen. Its the only way I can see of breaking this deadlock.
 
George Hannah said:
I agree his sarcasm and metaphors were singularly inappropriate, they detracted from the unanswerable case he made against the partisan conduct of the Speaker. Lucas now ripping into him for his current relaxed posture across two seats being contemptuous of the house. Speaker silent and grinning.
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as he is right to, because it was unacceptable behaviour.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
A GE will only result in another hung parliament so will resolve fa. Another extension will have us approaching the 4 year mark. A confirmatory referendum between rescinding A 50 and the only WA on the table needs to happen. Its the only way I can see of breaking this deadlock.
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I agree with this,time to put it back to us,no-one who voted out voted for this clusterfuck,i don't believe we should just crash out just to end it as we're all fed up with it,boris will never do it though
 
Saddleworth2 said:
A GE will only result in another hung parliament so will resolve fa. Another extension will have us approaching the 4 year mark. A confirmatory referendum between rescinding A 50 and the only WA on the table needs to happen. Its the only way I can see of breaking this deadlock.
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I am anti-referendum, but I am coming round albeit slowly to the idea that a 2nd referendum may be the only way to resolve the clusterfuck.

It would have to qualitative though with a clear mandate threshold established. 55-45 would suffice for me. I don't see what anybody has to fear from another referendum and I would expect leave to win, I would probably vote leave myself for the reason it is the right thing to do because of the first referendum result. Maybe by then we would have a Labour government too and I would be very happy to leave under those circumstances.
 
BJL_City said:
as he is right to, because it was unacceptable behaviour.
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Actually it is quite usual, especially in late night sittings where there is space on the benches and that is in both houses. It is not definitely not normally considered disrespectful or unacceptable although generally more associated with the older members. Lucas definitely struck a chord though.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
It will be pretty much a one horse race in Scotland. The Tories are dead in the water and Labour not much better. I think SNP may get a clean sweep. I still think it would be closer under a referendum. Please god that Indy 2 is carried out thoughtfully and factually. If Brexit is difficult to achieve, decoupling Scotland and England will not be a great deal easier. Currency, who acts as Central Bank, rejoining the EU if we have left, etc etc etc. Its not a shoe in but Westminster politics have shifted even crusty old Unionists like me to at least have a very open mind.
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Labour are dead as a force in Scotland and those who used to vote labour but are unionists will and did vote Tory last time. Not because they liked the Tories, rather they hated Indy more. The same pattern will emerge this time. Labour decimated, SNP around 50-53 seats Tories maybe 15, if like you some think this isn’t worth it. The decoupling will be difficult. But we can phase it on most things. We aren’t falling out, we are just setting up home with different rules. But we will still visit. Bring you food parcels and old shoes. We won’t forget you. :)
 
Rascal said:
I am anti-referendum, but I am coming round albeit slowly to the idea that a 2nd referendum may be the only way to resolve the clusterfuck.

It would have to qualitative though with a clear mandate threshold established. 55-45 would suffice for me. I don't see what anybody has to fear from another referendum and I would expect leave to win, I would probably vote leave myself for the reason it is the right thing to do because of the first referendum result. Maybe by then we would have a Labour government too and I would be very happy to leave under those circumstances.
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Why would it be on different terms of what constitutes it being implemented than the first?

I’d also be surprised if leave won. The data is all showing remain but anyway that’s besides the point until we do vote.

I’d prefer to stay in and influence the EU from within. There is a possibility to drive change across the whole continent and move it to the left.
 
George Hannah said:
Actually it is quite usual, especially in late night sittings where there is space on the benches and that is in both houses. It is not definitely not normally considered disrespectful or unacceptable although generally more associated with the older members. Lucas definitely struck a chord though.
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Given the circumstances, it was a wilful and calculated lack of respect in my view.
 
Magicpole said:
Labour are dead as a force in Scotland and those who used to vote labour but are unionists will and did vote Tory last time. Not because they liked the Tories, rather they hated Indy more. The same pattern will emerge this time. Labour decimated, SNP around 50-53 seats Tories maybe 15, if like you some think this isn’t worth it. The decoupling will be difficult. But we can phase it on most things. We aren’t falling out, we are just setting up home with different rules. But we will still visit. Bring you food parcels and old shoes. We won’t forget you. :)
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You'd have to get a deal first mate .
 
Magicpole said:
Labour are dead as a force in Scotland and those who used to vote labour but are unionists will and did vote Tory last time. Not because they liked the Tories, rather they hated Indy more. The same pattern will emerge this time. Labour decimated, SNP around 50-53 seats Tories maybe 15, if like you some think this isn’t worth it. The decoupling will be difficult. But we can phase it on most things. We aren’t falling out, we are just setting up home with different rules. But we will still visit. Bring you food parcels and old shoes. We won’t forget you. :)
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Just a question on Scotland.

Wasn’t the whole point on independence that your politics are more left than England’s and you keep getting the Tories?

I’d have though Corbyn would be right up Scotland’s street.
 
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