Another new Brexit thread

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Great bangers.

I am persuaded by your submissions.

 

[George Hannah]

the younger or the elder?

Winston certainly will be spinning if his grandson has to eke out a living working for Weightwatchers

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

What if MPs refuse to vote for a GE?

Queen opens new parliamentary session. Johnson loses vote on Queen's speech.

Does he still have clear authority to negotiate with the EU? Parliament gave the PM the authority to notify Article 50. What if Parliament gave itself the authority to revoke Article 50?

No idea, but the longer this goes on the more likely I think brexit will be resolved one way or the other by accident or some unforseen quirk of procedure.

 

[1.618034]

I am persuaded by your submissions.

I'm obliged.

 

[Turks Head Again]

Yes we know the leavers won,the tories have put us in this position and fucked it up,us turning on each other is the wrong thing to do,it's made us a nasty country split nearly down the middle

I'm pretty sure that this is bollocks.
The country voted to leave.
A hell of a lot of Labour constituents voted to leave.
Labour basically voted it down because it isn't a Labour Brexit.

 

[i kne albert davy]

I think we should leave, but not like moronic automotons.

This has divided the country for three years now and it's time one way or another to get it done the country was more or less split down the middle,slightly more than less if you sat 4 people around the table 2 would want to stay and 2 would want to leave. Cameron created this situation when he told the nation exactly what a leave vote would mean then pissed off out of the door, the idiots in Parliament started this and so must solve it, they asked the people and the people replied leave. Whatever else over 3 years to get nowhere is a sad reflection on the quality of our political classes it shouldn't have taken this long it needs sorting now.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Winston certainly will be spinning if his grandson has to eke out a living working for Weightwatchers

wartime rations? we'll be all on them if there is a No Deal so Weight watchers will be defunct

 

[aguero93:20]

Exactly. Hearing that bellend Johnson blaming Labour for this shite is a fucking joke. This was a tory idea, the tories have been left in charge of implementing it and made a complete dog's arse of it, the party is now turning in on itself whilst using deeply dangerous rhetoric to describe their opponents... Leave won, but every single bit of shit associated with this is on the tory party.

You have to understand things from his point of view, he's always been allowed to fuck up and someone has come along to take the flak and solve the problems, why shouldn't it be labour this time?

 

[aguero93:20]

This has divided the country for three years now and it's time one way or another to get it done the country was more or less split down the middle,slightly more than less if you sat 4 people around the table 2 would want to stay and 2 would want to leave. Cameron created this situation when he told the nation exactly what a leave vote would mean then pissed off out of the door, the idiots in Parliament started this and so must solve it, they asked the people and the people replied leave. Whatever else over 3 years to get nowhere is a sad reflection on the quality of our political classes it shouldn't have taken this long it needs sorting now.

So just get it done, regardless of the consequences?

 

[bluejon]

You have to understand things from his point of view, he's always been allowed to fuck up and someone has come along to take the flak and solve the problems, why shouldn't it be labour this time?

What fucks me off is the number of people who will believe this is somehow Labour's fault.

 

[aguero93:20]

What fucks me off is the number of people who will believe this is somehow Labour's fault.

I still can't understand how they didn't whip Tory and DUP MPs into line personally. Each to their own.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Yes we know the leavers won,the tories have put us in this position and fucked it up,us turning on each other is the wrong thing to do,it's made us a nasty country split nearly down the middle

We're still not a nasty country.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

This has divided the country for three years now and it's time one way or another to get it done the country was more or less split down the middle,slightly more than less if you sat 4 people around the table 2 would want to stay and 2 would want to leave. Cameron created this situation when he told the nation exactly what a leave vote would mean then pissed off out of the door, the idiots in Parliament started this and so must solve it, they asked the people and the people replied leave. Whatever else over 3 years to get nowhere is a sad reflection on the quality of our political classes it shouldn't have taken this long it needs sorting now.

You won't agree with this I'm sure, but we should revoke Article 50, find a way to leave that has broad consensus and doesn't split the nation in two, re-invoke and then leave, subject to the prevailing timescales.

If we come out, it needs to substantively carry the nation, and not just those that are desperete to leave, or It is bound to fail. And keep failing.

Have you not realised this yet?

It's all about control, which is presently conspicuously absent.

Some people have simply got the process arse about face.

 

[George Hannah]

What fucks me off is the number of people who will believe this is somehow Labour's fault.

It is, Brown, Milliband and now Corbyn is why we've had the Tories in power for the last 10 years and probably for the next 5 as well.

 

[Vic]

Dirty c unt

Everybody's doing it, doing it.
Picking their nose and chewing it.

 

[bluejon]

It is, Brown, Milliband and now Corbyn is why we've had the Tories in power for the last 10 years and probably for the next 5 as well.

Go on then, explain how that works.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

What fucks me off is the number of people who will believe this is somehow Labour's fault.

Its obviously a Tory mess from start to finish, and earlier in the year I thought Corbyn was being pretty shrewd just keeping the whole thing at arms length. The problem for Labour has been the conflict between the left and the blairites like chukka who were more intent on their own agendas than presenting a united front. I honestly believe that had they done so, they could have taken advantage of disarray in the tory party. Sadly, for the last three years more labour MP's have devoted themselves to ousting corbyn than the tory government

 

[jay_mcfc]

I'm pretty sure that this is bollocks.
The country voted to leave.
A hell of a lot of Labour constituents voted to leave.
Labour basically voted it down because it isn't a Labour Brexit.

Mate, the ERG voted it down. This is a Con shit pot, let them cunts deal with it.

 

[lancs blue]

What fucks me off is the number of people who will believe this is somehow Labour's fault.

In terms of a blame game it's been almost exclusively a Tory mess/internal civil war but there have been times in the last 3 years when Labour and Corbyn haven't done themselves any favours.

 

[Dribble]

Quite possibly concerns over unrestricted immigration into the UK got the leave vote over the line,but what many fail to see or don't want to see is that having concerns about it doesn't make people Nazis in a democratic society it should be able to be discussed.

I don't know if you're aware, but the UK CAN control immigration, but have chosen NOT to exercise their right to do so. What people – even, seemingly, the government – did not realise is that, since 2006, the Free Movement Directive (to give it its formal title, EU Directive 2004/38/EC) has given us exactly the control over immigration that voters demanded.

Why did Cameron never talk about this during the referendum campaign? Voters were unaware of so much about our relationship with the EU prior to and during the campaign, much of which remained unanswered until long afterwards. The Free Movement Directive is just one of many of these little known factors that mean we need to raise the level of discussion and offer the British people a final say on Brexit.

Where admission is permitted, an EU citizen may remain in the UK for up to three months from the date of entry, provided they do not become a burden on the social assistance system of the UK. If an EU citizen does not meet one of the requirements for residence set out in the Directive (employed, self-employed, self-sufficient, student) then they will not have a right to reside in the UK and may be removed.

The UK is free to implement this policy as it sees fit, and yet it does not, while other countries including Belgium and Italy, use this legislation to repatriate thousands of EU migrants each year. If the British public knew that we do have control of our borders even inside the single market, the fear of uncontrolled EU immigration would be dispelled. The fact is that EU migration is not unrestricted, and EU migrants are not permitted to burden the state by claiming their Treaty rights.

Each EU migrant, on average, contributes £2300 more to the exchequer than the average British-born adult, supporting not just themselves but others who rely on the NHS and the UK welfare system. We rely on EU immigration not just for low-skilled workers but across the whole spectrum, from hospitality and construction to financial services and academia – where up to 20 percent of academics at our Russell Group universities are from the EU.

Unemployment is at its lowest rate for decades at 4%, almost 3% lower than the EU average and less than half the EEA average. Without EU migration we will have an acute labour shortage. EU migration has been made a scapegoat for problems in the British economy, entirely unfairly. We should be grateful for it as espoused by a Lincolnshire Leave voting farmer, who after the 2016 referendum didn't have enough UK labour to pick fruit on his farm, so is now a remainer who is still struggling for seasonal farm labour from the UK & the EU through the effects of the referendum.

We should also be grateful for the powers the EU grants us to control it. When Leave campaigners shout ‘Take back control!!!!’, they seem to miss the fact that the Free Movement Directive gives us this control. Thanks to our government’s refusal to acknowledge the nuances of EU immigration legislation, the EU has become a Brexiteer scapegoat for uncontrolled migration, when in fact the fault lies with the very same Tory Party bleating on about leaving the EU without a deal.