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Churchlawtonblue said:
Both sides lied my friend. That is indisputable. Some have very short memories.

I also put it to you that more people will feel betrayed when we stay in the EU. Because that is surely what is going to happen now.
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No, they were not comparable in any way. I am assuming you are referring to ‘project fear’ where the Remain campaign gave projections some of which happened, some didn’t. That’s the nature of projections. The reasons some of those projections didn’t happen is that they were mitigated by the very experts that predicted them (thank you Mark Carney). I don’t have to list the blatant lies the Leave campaign told about NHS funding and immigration. If we are claiming equivalence, show me where Remain were funded by a millionaire with links to Russia. Show me the expose that compares with the CA scandal.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
No, they were not comparable in any way. I am assuming you are referring to ‘project fear’ where the Remain campaign gave projections some of which happened, some didn’t. That’s the nature of projections. The reasons some of those projections didn’t happen is that they were mitigated by the very experts that predicted them (thank you Mark Carney). I don’t have to list the blatant lies the Leave campaign told about NHS funding and immigration. If we are claiming equivalence, show me where Remain were funded by a millionaire with links to Russia. Show me the expose that compares with the CA scandal.
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Saddleworth2 said:
No, they were not comparable in any way. I am assuming you are referring to ‘project fear’ where the Remain campaign gave projections some of which happened, some didn’t. That’s the nature of projections. The reasons some of those projections didn’t happen is that they were mitigated by the very experts that predicted them (thank you Mark Carney). I don’t have to list the blatant lies the Leave campaign told about NHS funding and immigration. If we are claiming equivalence, show me where Remain were funded by a millionaire with links to Russia. Show me the expose that compares with the CA scandal.
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It's a pity that you are not able to see both sides of the argument. But that appears to be par for the course with so many who refuse to accept the result from 2016.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Johnson won't even be in the room when the other 27 leaders discuss Brexit, never mind playing an active part. But the vetoes belong to the Commission, not to national leaders. 3 years after the referendum you'd think you'd have learned this.
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You listen to Katya Adler too much, still in the EU saddle after 20 years on their payroll.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Yes.
Leavers got the vote
Leavers won the vote
Leavers tried but failed to deliver Brexit because they can’t implement what they sold to the public at the referendum.
Leavers have failed and are now blaming remainers for everything.
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You conveniently missed the bit where the MPs who want to remain have done everything in their power to overturn the result. Strange that. Or are you disputing that is what has happened.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Both sides lied my friend. That is indisputable. Some have very short memories.

I also put it to you that more people will feel betrayed when we stay in the EU. Because that is surely what is going to happen now.
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The remain side over-exaggerated, well Osbourne did as Chancellor, the impacts of a vote to leave and what would happen following that. He was right that the economy would slow and the pound would tank.

What other lies were told by remain in 2016?
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
See here we are again ..... the 52% ignoring the 48%...... The majority of remainers I know and a fair few on here want the outcome of the referendum to be honoured(that's Democracy) ... what we don't want is a NO DEAL BREXIT and a DISORDERLY WITHDRAWAL FROM THE EU....because that will f*ck up any chance of a trade deal with the largest trading bloc in the world going forward.

Labour have played a blinder so far.
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Parliament has had an opportunity on three occasions to prevent no deal so clearly it is not interested in just preventing no deal.

It also held indicative votes to help decide upon the kind of Brexit which failed to deliver any result, any of them would of prevented no deal. Some of them voted against every single option!

Had remainers in Parliament accepted the referendum, they would of taken part in the debate and come to the best possible option.

Instead they have frustrated the process at every avenue and refused to accept a compromise so we have ended up in a situation where the one piece of legislation they did for is the default option that will give us no deal.

Personally I think Article 50 should be extended and Parliament should hold a free vote of elimination rounds of indicative votes which will give us a Brexit they agree on.
 
George Hannah said:
You listen to Katya Adler too much, still in the EU saddle after 20 years on their payroll.
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It's true, May was never in the room while Brexit was discussed and while the leaders nominate commissioners and can advise them it's the commissioners call. Julian King is unlikely to ignore Parliament just to give Johnson a dig out even if his vote is necessary.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
You conveniently missed the bit where the MPs who want to remain have done everything in their power to overturn the result. Strange that. Or are you disputing that is what has happened.
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Most have said they’d leave with the right deal. It’s not their fault what has been negotiated is crap. Given brexit means different things to brexiteers, and the problem is we’re only had the debate after the referendum as opposed to prior.
 
journolud said:
Just imagine remain had won and then spent three years arguing over the best way to remain
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Before a tiny minority of MPs took over the executive and started trying to railroad parliament into joining the eurozone, schengen and giving up all of the UK's opt outs.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
It's a pity that you are not able to see both sides of the argument. But that appears to be par for the course with so many who refuse to accept the result from 2016.
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So do you see both sides of the argument?
This is not a football match where VAR gives you a dodgy call. This is the most important issue facing the U.K. in decades, some would say since ww2. Can you accept that some might hold the same view as I do that the referendum result was corrupted by illegality and criminality. If people really, really believe that, can you see why they would have difficulty accepting the result? The fact that the resultant police investigation into Aaron Banks funding has never completed or been made public - can you see why that would make people harden their opinion that corruption is at play?

I might have been able to put all of that to one side if I could see one good thing to come out of Brexit. Honestly though mate, in the three years I haven’t heard a single politician, pundit, broadcaster, friend, family member, fellow Blue poster describe with any intellectual rigour a single good thing that Brexit will deliver. Quite the reverse, I see it harming the people in society that can ill afford any further blows. So that’s why I think the way I do. Please feel free to persuade me that I am wrong.
 
joe123 said:
Most have said they’d leave with the right deal. It’s not their fault what has been negotiated is crap. Given brexit means different things to brexiteers, and the problem is we’re only had the debate after the referendum as opposed to prior.
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Nonsense there was lots if debate before the referendum. If you voted pls remind yourself what the voting paper asked you?
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
You conveniently missed the bit where the MPs who want to remain have done everything in their power to overturn the result. Strange that. Or are you disputing that is what has happened.
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You conveniently forget we live in a parliamentary democracy and MPs are free to vote on what they think is best for their constituents and the country - if you disagree with your MPs decision you are free to vote them out. Unless you know a better system to run a country ?

Leavers has the opportunity to ‘Brexit’ and have failed.
 
So many remainers are happy to rewrite history when it suits them. I don't think this does anything for the future good will of the country. Many self righteous MPs from all parties could be in for a big shock come the next GE. When ever that will be lol.
 
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