Another new Brexit thread

[Ban-jani]

Honestly don't think he'd get away with that.

He won’t as the opposition are already on the case with the courts but if he did, that would be the line crossed where my civility goes out the window.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

He won’t as the opposition are already on the case with the courts but if he did, that would be the line crossed where my civility goes out the window.

I think about 50% of the population would share your outrage, about the same ammount that would be outraged by attempting to revoke A50 ;-)
For this reason I still feel that all roads lead to the WA in a mildly tweaked form as 'least worst' option. I think this is Bj's aim and has been all along - cause enough outrage among Remainers to make leavers think they are getting their way, and sacrifice the sacred cow of no deal at the altar of remain.

 

[blueparrot]

He won’t as the opposition are already on the case with the courts but if he did, that would be the line crossed where my civility goes out the window.

Not just the opposition some of the expelled are involved in the courts and other tories say they would resign the whip if he attempted it.

 

[aguero93:20]

https://amp.independent.ie/business/brexit/bruiser-hogan-sent-in-to-cut-brexit-deal-38475552.html

 

[blueparrot]

I think about 50% of the population would share your outrage, about the same ammount that would be outraged by attempting to revoke A50 ;-)
For this reason I still feel that all roads lead to the WA in a mildly tweaked form as 'least worst' option. I think this is Bj's aim and has been all along - cause enough outrage among Remainers to make leavers think they are getting their way, and sacrifice the sacred cow of no deal at the altar of remain.

No it would be far more whateever side of brexit anyone is on, no-one should tolerate a PM ignoring the law and parliament.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

https://amp.independent.ie/business/brexit/bruiser-hogan-sent-in-to-cut-brexit-deal-38475552.html

This would worry me, but I'm already reliably informed that things will be as bad as possible after Brexit so it's actually of no concern.

 

[Saddleworth2]

I don't seek to argue the economic case, although the hysterical claims of both leave,and remain make the truth hard to decipher. I don't 'seem to admit ' short term economic difficulties, in fact I completely agree with you aside from the length or severity which in truth neither of us know due to the lies peddled by both sides - I believe neither in the sunny uplands or the apocalypse, and suspect that for all the rhetoric commercial self interest will mean actually much less will change either way than people state. Saying that not much will change in our daily lives whether we leave or remain is almost as unfashionable as recognising neither in an opposing view nowadays.

My 10 years was not talking about the severity of any economic impact. It was to rebuild a similar set of trade agreements and liscensing infrastructure that we will forgo when/if we leave. There is a great deal to address politically in the U.K. and I did and still believe that all of our political effort should be pointed at making our own politics better for the country and tackling poverty, inequality, education and the health service rather than the bloody EU. Most of our problems are of our own making and that’s imo where we should point our efforts.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

No it would be far more whateever side of brexit anyone is on, no-one should tolerate a PM ignoring the law and parliament.

I agree, but having seen their own vote ignored they might be ready to accept it.

 

[Ban-jani]

I think about 50% of the population would share your outrage, about the same ammount that would be outraged by attempting to revoke A50 ;-)
For this reason I still feel that all roads lead to the WA in a mildly tweaked form as 'least worst' option. I think this is Bj's aim and has been all along - cause enough outrage among Remainers to make leavers think they are getting their way, and sacrifice the sacred cow of no deal at the altar of remain.

I don’t think anyone would revoke without a mandate and equally I’d be appalled if they did.

 

[Rascal]

I'm not a Tory and i did say I thought things could also be better! That aside I do think you should look at the link. You never know but you actually might end up a happier person!?

I am a happy person, but with all respect all those graphs have done my head in. I was looking at graphs in a meeting the other day and I had to say to the Prof chairing the meeting, can you not find a way of putting these figures into a much simpler form so they can be easily interpreted.

And that was only the lunchtime butty order.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

My 10 years was not talking about the severity of any economic impact. It was to rebuild a similar set of trade agreements and liscensing infrastructure that we will forgo when/if we leave. There is a great deal to address politically in the U.K. and I did and still believe that all of our political effort should be pointed at making our own politics better for the country and tackling poverty, inequality, education and the health service rather than the bloody EU. Most of our problems are of our own making and that’s imo where we should point our efforts.

I do agree with you there that the EU has been scapegoated by the govt for our own poor economic decisions. I think your ten year estimate may be reasonable as the current arrangements evolved over 40. Having said that, we do of course start from a point of perfect alignment in terms of standards and regs which will help. I don't expect their to be much goodwill from the EU though as they will doubtless be spiteful if we do Leave - much like a domineering partner when someone leaves an abusive relationship. A poor analogy, but serves to make a point.

 

[George Hannah]

WOW Georgie Porgie, I know I can be hyperbolic, but that is stratospheric. Congratulations, your searing rhetoric is a statement so bold in ambition its a munificent bequest to the good burghers of Berlin. I am moved to tears at your audacity. I bow to your eloquence and kneel at the feet of your perspicacious oratory. Mere mortals will remember this day for ever, the day that Georgie Porgie pudding and pie revealed his true greatness in the face of tremendous tumultuousness. Chapeau Sir, Chapeau

I am moved by your tribute and your choice of my soubriquet - I'm indeed very fond of the steak & kidney variety of both - I think perhaps Blechhut Helm rather than Chapeau is more appropriate though.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I don’t think anyone would revoke without a mandate and equally I’d be appalled if they did.

That all depends on how you define a 'mandate'. There are all sorts of folk on both sides that claim to have one.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I don’t think anyone would revoke without a mandate and equally I’d be appalled if they did.

If the only option was revoke, or no deal, I'd hope they would revoke.

Otherwise it would be undemocratic to revoke it without offering the option of leaving with a deal.

But it's also undemocratic to try & force through no deal, but they have been trying every trick to engineer that & supported in that action by the most rabid of their followers, so I would have no sympathy.

 

[Ban-jani]

That all depends on how you define a 'mandate'. There are all sorts of folk on both sides that claim to have one.

A vote in a GE. As in if Lib Dem campaign on revoke and win a majority, then I’d be comfortable with it.

And obviously a referendum.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Does anyone think this latest (implied) threat from BJ may be just a way to force through a GE date on Monday? -Again as a 'least worst' option.

 

[west didsblue]

Does anyone think this latest (implied) threat from BJ may be just a way to force through a GE date on Monday? -Again as a 'least worst' option.

Probably.
It will fail though.
If he breaks the law there will be a VONC and the opposition would support a single candidate be it Corbyn or anyone else and the new PM would abide by the law.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I am a happy person, but with all respect all those graphs have done my head in. I was looking at graphs in a meeting the other day and I had to say to the Prof chairing the meeting, can you not find a way of putting these figures into a much simpler form so they can be easily interpreted.

And that was only the lunchtime butty order.

Haha made me chuckle. Have a good weekend Rascal.

 

[journolud]

I agree, but having seen their own vote ignored they might be ready to accept it.

I hardly think the last 3 years wrangling counts as anyone's votes being ignored.

 

[blueparrot]

I agree, but having seen their own vote ignored they might be ready to accept it.

It was only ignored if they voted firstly not understand how parliament works, and secondly if they though they were voting FOR something. They weren’t they were voting against membership of the EU, the vote never said what would or should replace it. Turns out the only thing that could possibly replace it was Mays deal, which the ERG and DUP killed, or a CU /SM that the tories imposed their own red lines on to prevent going down that road which would have been an easy road with cross party support, again, to pacify its own extremes and the DUP.
Nothing like a PM ignoring an act of parliament.