I'm happy with any deal or no deal so long as we leave tbh. By leave, I specifically mean we are no longer members of the EU. You can squbble among yourselves over the small print for all I care. Norway / Russia / Africa / South pole style membership all ok with me.This isn't difficult. If we vote for a door to be shut it can only be shut or open a binary choice. If we vote to leave the EU , do we leave with a deal or without, already not binary, if we leave with a deal what should that deal be ?
How can it be possible to vote leave but have no clue about what preference from the options available you want.
I’ll simplify it for you, choose 1 from 3. Or add your own preference.
1 No deal
2 Mays WA
3 A Norway types deal
So assuming the deal negotiated and agreed with the eu was the best available how come people who campaigned for leave didn't accept it?
Because some were genuinely unhappy with it. Others thought is too brexity, others not brexity enough. A very large number of mp's saw an opportunity to buy time and stall brexit while they continued the fight to remain. You may well ask why they then passed A50 if that were the case. The answer is that by not passing A50 they would have shown their true colours and endangered their future as constituency MP's. This is largely why they don't want a GE now (imho), and why Stephen Kinnock for instance has suddenly switched from espousing all things remain to trying to frame his argument as being about 'the deal' before his constituency get a chance to put a cross in someone elses box.So assuming the deal negotiated and agreed with the eu was the best available how come people who campaigned for leave didn't accept it?
I don't wish to be patronising by posting pics of the ballot paper and clips of Cameron clearly stating what the results of voting leave would be - I'm sure you are clever enough to google these yourself if needed.
What stuff?So all the stuff about getting a great deal was actually bollocks then ?
Let it go george,it's not happeningI think there is an obvious reason why Boris will get his October 15th election on Monday. Having gained the Royal assent for their bill surely the 21 Tory rebels will allow the country to judge their Brexit position in an GE/2nd Referendum and back the motion? Nowhere on the media is this prospect being raised.
Doesn't seem to matter great deal bad deal or no deal are all the same to him he can’t tell the difference. Bet he can’t tell the difference between margarine and butter either.So all the stuff about getting a great deal was actually bollocks then ?
Probably because they felt a better deal could be negotiated. You could also ask why people who campaigned for Remain didn’t accept it. Looking at the votes, all but 3 Labour MPs voted against it, and so did every Lib Dem
and SNP MP. Looking at the number of Labour MPs who voted for it compared to Tory MPs, it reads like political tribalist bollocks rather than everyone getting their heads together on an issue that transcends party politics.
May’s deal was scuppered by MPs across the board, not just Brexit-voting ones.
Because some were genuinely unhappy with it. Others thought is too brexity, others not brexity enough. A very large number of mp's saw an opportunity to buy time and stall brexit while they continued the fight to remain. You may well ask why they then passed A50 if that were the case. The answer is that by not passing A50 they would have shown their true colours and endangered their future as constituency MP's. This is largely why they don't want a GE now (imho), and why Stephen Kinnock for instance has suddenly switched from espousing all things remain to trying to frame his argument as being about 'the deal' before his constituency get a chance to put a cross in someone elses box.
I think a GE could be healthy tbh with the Lib Dems as a clear remain option and BJ forced to present a clear leave option to hold off the brexit party -it pretty much delivers the 2nd referendum that many wish to see.
That's a big problem for trust in our politics. There are of course some consistent and highly principled remainers (and people whose primary concern realy is a deal) so it's unfair to tar everybody with the same brush. Sadly the less genuine / honest hide among them.But a better deal hasn't been negotiated and nor does it look likely to be. I'll take your point about remainers voting against it but at least they are consistent. Whether they are legitimately ignoring the "will of the people " is another argument altogether.
What stuff?
Doesn't seem to matter great deal bad deal or no deal are all the same to him he can’t tell the difference. Bet he can’t tell the difference between margarine and butter either.
Ordinarily I'd agree, but with parliament having boxed themselves into another stalemate and no sign of a majority / consensus I see no other way. I still fear it would result in an inconclusive hung parliament tbh though.And round and round we go. Will not be any clarity after a GE in my view and a GE shouldn't be held on a single issue.
The constant brainwashing message, that we would be leaving the EU with a deal, which gave us all the benefits of the single market & customs union, with out us having to be part of the EU.
That is what was sold to the public. Google it. The videos are still out there.
They also said it would be easy.
They didn't sell the idea of crashing out without a deal & paying fucking billions to do it.
But apparently as it didn't give details on the ballot paper it doesn't matter. So presumably invading Belgium & hijacking the EU Parliament would also be fine, as that's not on the ballot either.[/QUOTE
If you choose to get your information from the likes of Gove and Farage then I can't help you - it's like me being upset that I didn't get the promised emergency budget. You might as well let things on the side of a bus or posters about immigrants inform your choice if you were ever daft enough to believe the great deal rubbish.Or bullshit.
Oh well, I'll have to look forward to them carting BoJo off to chokey instead thenLet it go george,it's not happening
If you choose to get your information from the likes of Gove and Farage then I can't help you - it's like me being upset that I didn't get the promised emergency budget. You might as well let things on the side of a bus or posters about immigrants inform your choice if you were ever daft enough to believe the great deal rubbish.
None mate. My desire for us to no longer be in the EU pre dates either set of lies.I didn't believe a fucking word of it & predicted exactly what would happen, including the likelihood of Boris Johnson being leader of the ****'s Party.
Which of the people who would be responsible for delivering Brexit did you choose to believe ?
None mate. My desire for us to no longer be in the EU pre dates either set of lies.
Surely he is not stupid enough to break the law,saying he would rather die in a ditch is looking very stupid indeed nowOh well, I'll have to look forward to them carting BoJo off to chokey instead then
But a better deal hasn't been negotiated and nor does it look likely to be. I'll take your point about remainers voting against it but at least they are consistent. Whether they are legitimately ignoring the "will of the people " is another argument altogether.