Another new Brexit thread

[Vic]

George, if Corbyn gets in, we're not all going to have to join our local soviets you know. He's an old vegetarian from north london. I can't be doing with him at all, not for political reasons, I just think he's an arse, but your fantasies of a secret underground red cabal guiding their agent in government are bollox. It's Seamus Milne, that's all.

Milne is on an "extended holiday".

Anyway, here's a great headline from the Telegraph:
anti-capitalist Labour wins unlikely new City fans

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/busines...-brexit-say-investment-banks-anti-capitalist/

 

[Vic]

Slightly more than Tusks zero percent then.

Same as the queen and she appointed Johnson.

 

[aguero93:20]

Carry on, you’ll give us all a laugh.

Personally I thought this EU thing was an undemocratic lark where national parliaments and leaders were dictated to by an unelected elite, I'm delighted he's put me straight there by pointing out that the EU's policy is dictated by its members.

 

[aguero93:20]

I will just put this here for general reading:-

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/p...PHKEK5Jd9fSIEmjceuwYDnTGOsiUjc8wvvaBatpU7g0Ww

I've raised this subject before but been told Ireland is a tax haven because it has a low CT rate, showing the shocking lack of awareness among many of you about how the UK can be so wealthy and so skint.

 

[cibaman]

Would it not be a different deal than May's?

Thornberry and McDonnell are backing off from the suggestion that Labour would try to significantly re-negotiate May’s deal. The penny seems to have dropped that It would be bizarre for Labour to campaign on the basis of negotiating a different deal and then campaigning to remain.

So it’s likely to be Mays Deal with a few uncontroversial tweaks. They haven’t said if they’ll still pursue a customs union with a seat at the table, but it seems unlikely. It will be May’s Deal v Remain. I would be surprised if they could find anyone to run the May’s Deal campaign,not even May! Remain would win by an overwhelming margin, but on a very small turnout.

Good news in the short term that No Deal has been avoided. But it will only widen the divisions in the country.

 

[Ban-jani]

It is an unusual set up for a leader and basically his cabinet to be unelected. Thats a dictatorship.

The House of Lords needs to go, as well hereditary cunts.

It’s not a dictatorship.

On 9 March 2017, Tusk was re-elected for a second term to last until 30 November 2019

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Tusk

It would help if you did the faintest bit of research before making such accusations.

 

[Vic]

23716 at the last election.

Wasn't that Jean Valjean's number? Cart Johnson off to the hulks.

 

[Vic]

Should the referendum have spelled out not "Leave means leave" but "How Leave means leave"? It's been done to death on here but I thought I'd share why the Leave campaign didn't want to spell it out.

"Does it (the Leave campaign) need an exit plan, or does that simply provide an undefendable target and open an unwinnable debate?"

Dominic Cummings in 2015.

Except of course they did have an exit plan. "We will still be in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border."

 

[west didsblue]

Thornberry and McDonnell are backing off from the suggestion that Labour would try to significantly re-negotiate May’s deal. The penny seems to have dropped that It would be bizarre for Labour to campaign on the basis of negotiating a different deal and then campaigning to remain.

So it’s likely to be Mays Deal with a few uncontroversial tweaks. They haven’t said if they’ll still pursue a customs union with a seat at the table, but it seems unlikely. It will be May’s Deal v Remain. I would be surprised if they could find anyone to run the May’s Deal campaign,not even May! Remain would win by an overwhelming margin, but on a very small turnout.

Good news in the short term that No Deal has been avoided. But it will only widen the divisions in the country.

Not what Thornberry said on GMTV about 2 hours ago.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Johnson may or may not

If he does - I would suggest that he uses convention to be his justification

Hint - who was the Speaker before Bercow -and who was the one before that?

You will have to give us a better hint than that! Unless you are reffering to the fact that 2 Labour MPs held the post in succession. That was very much outside of the norm and was due to the fact that the nominated Tory was seen as too close to the front bench. The convention is that the role should go to a longstanding back bencher who has the trust of the house to act with impartiality. Given the splits in the House right now I doubt any front candidtae associated with the leadership of any party would get through so the longstanding convention should be applied. A back bench labour MP with no recent ties to Corbyns exec team - should be easily done.

 

[bluejon]

Milne is on an "extended holiday".

Anyway, here's a great headline from the Telegraph:
anti-capitalist Labour wins unlikely new City fans

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/busines...-brexit-say-investment-banks-anti-capitalist/

blueinsa gone all corbyn?

 

[blueinsa]

blueinsa gone all corbyn?

Wait till they find out they have to give 20% of their shares to the workers and pay them a yearly dividend.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

It’s not a dictatorship.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Tusk

It would help if you did the faintest bit of research before making such accusations.

Not elected by the public, why is that so difficult for you to understand?

And if you actually read my posts you'd know that was what I was on about.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Not elected by the public, why is that so difficult for you to understand?

And if you actually read my posts you'd know that was what I was on about.

Not elected by the public? Maybe we can ask the same question of Boris Johnson.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

Not elected by the public? Maybe we can ask the same question of Boris Johnson.

Not this again ffs. Its the remainers stopping an election, we will still get One pretty soon though.

Unlike the next eu Presidency.

 

[Ban-jani]

Not elected by the public, why is that so difficult for you to understand?

And if you actually read my posts you'd know that was what I was on about.

I do perfectly understand that thank you and he was indirectly elected by the public.

Does it make it a dictatorship? No it fucking doesn’t.

Our Prime Minister wasn’t elected by the public, he was elected by those the public elected and that happens in many western democracies.

Your hyperbolic shite isn’t going to wash on here I’m afraid, you’ve mistaken that we know how the EU works.

 

[Zubrman]

If the EU want to force the UK to remain, can they not just refuse to give an extension when we ask? As we have ruled out a hard exit and don't want to accept the WA, we would be forced to revoke.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

I do perfectly understand that thank you and he was indirectly elected by the public.

Does it make it a dictatorship? No it fucking doesn’t.

Our Prime Minister wasn’t elected by the public, he was elected by those the public elected and that happens in many western democracies.

Your hyperbolic shite isn’t going to wash on here I’m afraid, you’ve mistaken that we know how the EU works.

He wasn't voted for by the public as you well know.

Keep throwing your toys out of the pram though.

 

[Ban-jani]

He wasn't voted for by the public as you well know.

Keep throwing your toys out of the pram though.

How am I throwing my toys out of the pram? I’m point out why you’re totally wide of the mark and are using hyperbole to make a stupid point.

If you think Tusk is a dictator, having been elected by those the public elect, you know nothing about politics and you’re ignoring the fact our current Prime Minister wasn’t elected by the public.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I’m fairly sure they will be in the near future. As mentioned before, it’s very much in Labour’s interests to allow the current administration to keep destroying their credibility for a little longer yet.

And maybe in the Tory's interests to tell them to get stuffed and withdraw any suggestion of a GE in November!

Would Corbyn win a confidence vote? Maybe, maybe not.