Another new Brexit thread

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Chippy_boy said:
One good thing has come of all of this though:

We've all increased our vocabulary with a new verb and a new noun. Prorogate and prorogation.

Prorogate - verb

I prorogate
You prorogate
They prorogate
He takes the piss

I feel positively enlightened.
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That’s true actually, I think everybody on both sides of the argument will agree that the UK has pissed 4 years down the toilet and we are probably heading for a lost decade. But at least we can console ourselves with the knowledge that we have educated ourselves on the following-


Parliament hates the people
Executive hates parliament
People hate the executive and parliament
A bill is a bill unless it is not a bill
Backstops should be avoided at all costs
A Yellowhammer is a pretty little yellow bird
Cummings is a sith lord
Corbyn should never take up Chess or any other strategy based game
Johnson should speak to the electorate in Latin so they can’t understand his lies

Oh Mr Cameron what have you done..
 
Gray said:
Yes and if we stay in can we get the same pension deals as the French?
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funnily enough people point to things like this and blame the EU when in fact its a UK Govt decision .......its not the EU's fault that our Govt keeps raising and raising the age at which people will qualify for a state pension nor is it the EU's decision for other countries to have more favourable welfare arrangements for their lucky citizens.
 
bluethrunthru said:
funnily enough people point to things like this and blame the EU when in fact its a UK Govt decision .......its not the EU's fault that our Govt keeps raising and raising the age at which people will qualify for a state pension nor is it the EU's decision for other countries to have more favourable welfare arrangements for their lucky citizens.
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And it’s misconceptions like this that by and large cause the anti EU sentiments.
 
Blue Hefner said:
Rory Stewart was asked something similar on LBC earlier today. His opinion was other than waterboarding the corgi, there is no way of knowing what Johnson said to the Queen and if he lied or not. However the words and reactions of MPs could be held up as evidence I.e great we can now get Brexit no-deal through when it was supposed to be about a new progressive agenda

That doesn’t answer your point about if a PM actually needs a reason, though. For what it’s worth, I imagine they do or it would have happened loads of times surely? That said, if Johnson had a majority Government he would have got no-deal through anyway with no need to shut the doors. In an era where coalitions look more likely, whether they need a reason or not, needs to be made clear/set in stone
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Hasn’t prorogation only become an issue since the Fixed Term Parliament Act was introduced? Isn’t that why there aren’t any precedents?
 
Gaudion M said:
So what about if BoJo suggested proroguing for 12 months and gave no reason. At what point would you expect a court to step in and say that is not constitutional?
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I think that would be a good reason for the courts to step in. Certainly better than for them to decide they don’t like the PMs reason for proroguing
 
Ban-jani said:
This is out of my comfort zone so I’m open to being told this is incorrect but didn’t Johnson close Parliament for the maximum amount of time he could?
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I may be wrong but I thought that he wanted Parliament to be sitting again before the EU Council meeting on 17th October, hence the Queen's Speech on the 14th. I'm not aware of any time limit on prorogation.
 
cibaman said:
Hasn’t prorogation only become an issue since the Fixed Term Parliament Act was introduced? Isn’t that why there aren’t any precedents?
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Parliament is prorogued at the end of every sitting. Its how you draw a line under proceedings then come back with a Queens speech to start with a new agenda. Most often its prorogued (shut down) to enable the 3 weeks for the 3 main parties to hold their conferences which gives the governing party 2 weeks when they aren't at conference to finalise their Queens speech and recall Parliament. For some reason Bozo says this time he needs 5 weeks and caveats it with that time period is not unusual the speaker says its not taken that long in decades. Make your own mind up whether there is an ulterior motive.

It does however predate the FTPA by many many years.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Parliament is prorogued at the end of every sitting. Its how you draw a line under proceedings then come back with a Queens speech to start with a new agenda. Most often its prorogued (shut down) to enable the 3 weeks for the 3 main parties to hold their conferences which gives the governing party 2 weeks when they aren't at conference to finalise their Queens speech and recall Parliament. For some reason Bozo says this time he needs 5 weeks and caveats it with that time period is not unusual the speaker says its not taken that long in decades. Make your own mind up whether there is an ulterior motive.

It does however predate the FTPA by many many years.
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Who gives a fuck do you think calling the mps back will solve the issue? No it’s all bollox

Moan moan moan with no solution mps will continue to do that in or out of parlaiment
 
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