Prorogation - Judgment Day:10.30am Tuesday 24/9/19

Machiavelli said:
Did you not see the link I posted above?
I’ve moved on now to wondering who invented the cone? because without that person we wouldn’t be able to enjoy ice cream (the hard and the soft stuff) the way we like - that’s the hidden hero in this story for me.
I’ve also been thinking should we move on to calling it They Whippy?
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The cone?
That was Boris. Inspired by one of the hats they used make him wear whilst standing facing the corner in Eton.
 
Ban-jani said:
A member of the public is giving her death threats on a daily basis and tried to break into her office, specifically quoting the Prime Minister.

In 2016 a Labour MP was murdered by a right wing nut job for “betraying” her country.

Johnson is now using that rhetoric in the House to attack the opposition for stopping him breaking the law.

He’s not a conservative mate and you’d be better judged fucking the **** off.

He’s a fucking fascist.
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You have been radicalised as rascal would say. Check out her history. It’s ok to call him a fucking fascist but he can’t say surrender. Oh the irony! Check out her twitter history. Potty mouth and full of hate I tell you!!
 
Ban-jani said:
A member of the public is giving her death threats on a daily basis and tried to break into her office, specifically quoting the Prime Minister.

In 2016 a Labour MP was murdered by a right wing nut job for “betraying” her country.

Johnson is now using that rhetoric in the House to attack the opposition for stopping him breaking the law.

He’s not a conservative mate and you’d be better judged fucking the **** off.

He’s a fucking fascist.
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And people are defending him.

If the Yorkshire Ripper wore a Tory rosette they would defend him.

I have tried warning people about fascism, but a number of people are not bothered as long as Brexit happens. I thought taking back control was a noble cause, not a fascist clarion call. Johnsons language is Trumpian, it is disgusting and I always thought that we as a nation were better than that. When female MPs are getting death threats, are routinely abused and called traitors it is up to the PM to call for it to stop, not to further inflame an already damaging public discourse with yet further inflammatory rhetoric and shameful dismissal of female MPs fears as being humbug.

We live in very dangerous times, Johnson has emboldened the far right with his actions and behind that buffoon act lies a man who is dangerous.

I fear for our country, I fear a dictatorship, I fear mass disturbances and I fear for each and every one of us.
 
Rascal said:
And people are defending him.

If the Yorkshire Ripper wore a Tory rosette they would defend him.

I have tried warning people about fascism, but a number of people are not bothered as long as Brexit happens. I thought taking back control was a noble cause, not a fascist clarion call. Johnsons language is Trumpian, it is disgusting and I always thought that we as a nation were better than that. When female MPs are getting death threats, are routinely abused and called traitors it is up to the PM to call for it to stop, not to further inflame an already damaging public discourse with yet further inflammatory rhetoric and shameful dismissal of female MPs fears as being humbug.

We live in very dangerous times, Johnson has emboldened the far right with his actions and behind that buffoon act lies a man who is dangerous.

I fear for our country, I fear a dictatorship, I fear mass disturbances and I fear for each and every one of us.
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Are you for real. Have your heard the language of McDonnell? He can’t speak with out saying Tory twats. He spoke of lynching Esther Mcvay.

Corbyn once wrote an article that said what do you call 4 dead tories? A start.

The rabid women with the rabbit teeth is worse than both of them. Phillips? She is hateful.

You are a bunch of pathetic babies.

The vast majority on the right have had mud slung at them for years by the rabid left and remained dignified. They are getting abuse from the public for the simple reason they are not pushing through a democratic vote and blocking an election. No wonder people are frustrated. That’s what I call a facist dictatorship. To bring joe cox into it the other night was poor and cheap point scoring.

Do you not think boris gets abuse daily?

Big socialist babies who want everything for free and live in cloud cuckoo land and think they know better than 17.4 million people. A bloody disgrace.

It’s a bit like me deciding to move house but a load of travellers camping on my front drive and when I ask them to move nicely at first they say no.

Then when I tell them to pissoff they start crying.

Good morning rascal by the way.
 
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Rascal said:
And people are defending him.

If the Yorkshire Ripper wore a Tory rosette they would defend him.

I have tried warning people about fascism, but a number of people are not bothered as long as Brexit happens. I thought taking back control was a noble cause, not a fascist clarion call. Johnsons language is Trumpian, it is disgusting and I always thought that we as a nation were better than that. When female MPs are getting death threats, are routinely abused and called traitors it is up to the PM to call for it to stop, not to further inflame an already damaging public discourse with yet further inflammatory rhetoric and shameful dismissal of female MPs fears as being humbug.

We live in very dangerous times, Johnson has emboldened the far right with his actions and behind that buffoon act lies a man who is dangerous.

I fear for our country, I fear a dictatorship, I fear mass disturbances and I fear for each and every one of us.
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Johnson is about having power, now this is not uncommon for the torys, as being in power is their main goal, however with johnson he just wants the power without the responaibility and used popularism to get it and thinks popularist rhetoric will keep him there.

I swear if suddenly 70% of the whole nation said they wanted to remain his brexit stance ould alter to suit his political needs.

If that leads to division and that can be used to exact his power he doesn't care.

He has an air of Richard II about him, close knit circle cronyism and lack of respect for the country, court or law.
 
Rascal said:
And people are defending him.

If the Yorkshire Ripper wore a Tory rosette they would defend him.

I have tried warning people about fascism, but a number of people are not bothered as long as Brexit happens. I thought taking back control was a noble cause, not a fascist clarion call. Johnsons language is Trumpian, it is disgusting and I always thought that we as a nation were better than that. When female MPs are getting death threats, are routinely abused and called traitors it is up to the PM to call for it to stop, not to further inflame an already damaging public discourse with yet further inflammatory rhetoric and shameful dismissal of female MPs fears as being humbug.

We live in very dangerous times, Johnson has emboldened the far right with his actions and behind that buffoon act lies a man who is dangerous.

I fear for our country, I fear a dictatorship, I fear mass disturbances and I fear for each and every one of us.
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The thing is we have to respect the referendum result.
I voted remain but I believe we need to get out now by hook or by crook.

I cannot see anyone better equipped to close that deal.
Don’t overthink it , just do it.

Capatlism can stink.
 
toffee balls said:
The thing is we have to respect the referendum result.
I voted remain but I believe we need to get out now by hook or by crook.

I cannot see anyone better equipped to close that deal.
Don’t overthink it , just do it.

Capatlism can stink.
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I don't disagree, I would have voted leave if Labour where in power (lexit) and I think the only way to leave is no deal.

Johnson however is a **** and I would rather sock Stuart Pearson's cock than support him
 
worsleyweb said:
Are you for real. Have your heard the language of McDonnell? He can’t speak with out saying Tory twats. He spoke of lynching Esther Mcvay.

Corbyn once wrote an article that said what do you call 4 dead tories? A start.

The rabid women with the rabbit teeth is worse than both of them. Phillips? She is hateful.

You are a bunch of pathetic babies.

The vast majority on the right have had mud slung at them for years by the rabid left and remained dignified. They are getting abuse from the public for the simple reason they are not pushing through a democratic vote and blocking an election. No wonder people are frustrated. That’s what I call a facist dictatorship. To bring joe cox into it the other night was poor and cheap point scoring.

Do you not think boris gets abuse daily?

Big socialist babies who want everything for free and live in cloud cuckoo land and think they know better than 17.4 million people. A bloody disgrace.

It’s a bit like me deciding to move house but a load of travellers camping on my front drive and when I ask them to move nicely at first they say no.

Then when I tell them to pissoff they start crying.

Good morning rascal by the way.
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Difficult to argue with any of that.

The double standards currently on show is in no way surprising.
 
worsleyweb said:
Are you for real. Have your heard the language of McDonnell? He can’t speak with out saying Tory twats. He spoke of lynching Esther Mcvay.

Corbyn once wrote an article that said what do you call 4 dead tories? A start.

The rabid women with the rabbit teeth is worse than both of them. Phillips? She is hateful.

You are a bunch of pathetic babies.

The vast majority on the right have had mud slung at them for years by the rabid left and remained dignified. They are getting abuse from the public for the simple reason they are not pushing through a democratic vote and blocking an election. No wonder people are frustrated. That’s what I call a facist dictatorship. To bring joe cox into it the other night was poor and cheap point scoring.

Do you not think boris gets abuse daily?

Big socialist babies who want everything for free and live in cloud cuckoo land and think they know better than 17.4 million people. A bloody disgrace.

Good morning rascal by the way.
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I don't like Phillips, I find her a gobby twat and annoying as hell.

I stil don't think she deserves the abise she gets, heavy criticism yes.

But then I have noticed and this is on both sides btw, in the last few years what constitutes empasaioned criticism and what is abuse has been muddied.

Calling a politician a wanker or scum or such used to be par or the course and not an eylid was bat

Throwing flour or eggs or any physical attack, bang out of order and stupid behaviour police caution at least

Threatening to rape or kill someone get the **** who did it arrested.

This is all now classed as abusive and so some find it easy to equate someone bieng called a twat as equally as bad as a death threat to justify their point

Also vitriolic language was always found on the extreme or fringes of both left and right with the odd hard line tory/labour MP occassionally guilty for stepping over the line, it was never being used by a sitting PM and his cabinet, atyorny general and advisors.


We are in a dangerous place atm with the highest office bar the monarch treatingit the same as if he was in a westmister bar after session.
 
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The poor use of language is mirrored in the poor taste of reference, something which both sides of the House are guilty of employing.

As well as the words surrender act, which was deliberately used in Johnson's prepared speech and then dripped in throughout the exchange, we also had /sabotage/took the shilling of the Mullahs/Free the Isington One/time is marching/betrayal/treason/traitor/capitulation. Further, we were treated to reference to Nelson and Trafalgar in the same session and had Labour branded as Communists. Reference to war, be it conventional/Cold/terrorism, as part of the British lexicon is common, but today's parliamentarians have generally only read about war or seen sanitised pictures of it. Had they directly experienced or seen its horror, they would likely be more judicious in their use of language.

Language is a problem in the House, but the debate is also shaped by who speaks. In that respect, Bercow also has to be more thoughtful about who he selects to ask questions and when; he knows them all and knows their style, tone, and boiling points. As the tensions rose in the House on Wednesday night, for some reason he seemed to choose a succession of women from the Opposition benches. Now, if you watch carefully, you'll see that Johnson has a habit of being rather cowed by those female MPs who chastise him but do so in a calm but serious tone- probably a throwback to childhood and Nanny telling him off- but when it is a woman who starts calmly but then becomes shrill, he seems to see that as a bit of 'sport', he thinks he's winning, and he will have his fun. Not suggesting MPs be 'gagged' or excusing Johnson, just pointing out an effect of how the debate is managed from the chair.
 
Rascal said:
I have tried warning people about fascism, but a number of people are not bothered as long as Brexit happens. I thought taking back control was a noble cause, not a fascist clarion call. Johnsons language is Trumpian, it is disgusting and I always thought that we as a nation were better than that.
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I do think Johson is acting dangerous towards democracy, but i don't think facist is the most apt word to use. I think you compared a certain group to Brownshirts for his cause yesterday but i'm not sure if you understood the role of brownshirts in Hitlers rise to power then as i seem to do. The thing with brownshirts is that they formed a quasi army of several hundred thousands in a time where Germany was limited to a 100.000 man army. The significance of the brown shirts were rather specific to the enviroment then, because it's perhaps not hard to see how a nation can loose control and power when a faction within can mobilise a fighting force several times the size of that of the goverment, lest to speak that even significant part of the army and police supported the facists. The vacuum in Germany allowed the Brownshirts even to police large parts of the country. Afcourse when it came to ellections the brownshirts would use various tactics to make Hitler win among those intimidation of the ellectorate and the death threats to MP's in the UK (especially when also having cases of political assasination) can be then seen as somewhat similar to that, certaintly concerning for democracy. What you don't have is an effectivly mobilised army of right wingers forcing people to vote for their cause, no'r any chance for them to beat the country's armed forces in a bid for power or any territory defacto controlled by them by sheer vacuum left by a neutured goverment.

Bojo does seem to use various machinations to seize more power for himself, machinations that look similar to various ones used at times in the past. Maybe here and there they seem to be taking hints from the facist trickbook but imho he's taking even more from Caesar.

I don't think it's all that usefull to use the word "facist", it's a laden term and i think it makes people on the right feel attacked by hyperbole aswell. Nevertheless what Bojo is doing is deeply concerning imho.
 
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worsleyweb said:
You have been radicalised as rascal would say. Check out her history. It’s ok to call him a fucking fascist but he can’t say surrender. Oh the irony! Check out her twitter history. Potty mouth and full of hate I tell you!!
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You think I’ve been radicalised because I want the Prime Minister to calm his language that’s resulting in death threats for opposition MP’s?

Johnson is a fascist, look at his behaviour.
 
Ban-jani said:
You think I’ve been radicalised because I want the Prime Minister to calm his language that’s resulting in death threats for opposition MP’s?

Johnson is a fascist, look at his behaviour.
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Glorious.

Calm his language to fascist in 6 seconds lol
 
Ban-jani said:
You think I’ve been radicalised because I want the Prime Minister to calm his language that’s resulting in death threats for opposition MP’s?

Johnson is a fascist, look at his behaviour.
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Yeah well Jess Phillips and other MPs should remember their own language. She said she would stab Corbyn not in the back but in the front if he jeopardised the chances of a future labour govt.

Nice lady.
 
Ban-jani said:
When I’ve finished my breakfast I’ll explain why he is one.
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Save your breath.

He isn't one and no one in Parliament is.

You might not like them or their policies or their stance on brexit but a fascist it does not make.
 
blueinsa said:
Glorious.

Calm his language to fascist in 6 seconds lol
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Hitler in the 1930’s:

- Tried to suspend Parliament illegally
-Manipulated the German Head of State whilst he was in a weak and awkward position
-Used his friends in the press to attack the opposition, labelling them “enemies of the people”
-Pitted Parliament vs the people as the battle
-Undermined and attacked the courts, trying to bypass them
-Talked about the enemy within who want to surrender Germany
-Attacked minorities

Johnson today:

- Tried to suspend Parliament illegally
-Manipulated the UK Head of State whilst she was in a weak and awkward position
-Used his friends in the press to attack the opposition, labelling them “enemies of the people”
-Pitted Parliament vs the people as the battle
-Undermined and attacked the courts, trying to bypass them
-Talked about his opponents “surrendering” and “embarrassing the UK”
-Attacked minorities in the press, ridiculing one of the most vulnerable groups - Muslim women


Granted there aren’t education (death) camps and brownshirts beating up Labour members but his tactics are currently Fascist behaviour.

He isn’t a conservative and that’s why some Tory MP’s are horrified by what he’s doing and saying.
 
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