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[Ban-jani]

Political party takes stance for political reasons.............

In other news many many bears seen to be defecating in woodlands

They’re absolutely spitting with rage because the opposition haven’t fallen for Johnson’s games.

And that’s not just Labour, it’s all of them.

 

[bluethrunthru]

They’re absolutely spitting with rage because the opposition haven’t fallen for Johnson’s games.

And that’s not just Labour, it’s all of them.

as well as the political damage all opposition parties are trying to do to Johnson they must be immensely grateful for the sterling work being put in by the man himself so that the shitstorm comes from all sides.

 

[Ban-jani]

as well as the political damage all opposition parties are trying to do to Johnson they must be immensely grateful for the sterling work being put in by the man himself so that the shitstorm comes from all sides.

Agent Cummings ruining Chippy and George’s year.

 

[west didsblue]

What a pointless series of exchanges this is. EVERYONE on here knows full well that the two reasons Corbyn wouldn't call a GE are (a) because he wants to inflict as much political damage on Johnson as possible, and (b) because he thinks he'd probably lose if there are a GE right know.

All this bullshit about needing to be absolutely sure Johnson doesn't use it to get us out with no deal by the backdoor, is utter crap and we all know that. It would have been perfectly possible several weeks ago to have passed legislation setting the GE date well before October 31st. This opportunity was passed by for the reasons above. End of.

And quite honestly, this faux outrage at Johnson's every action, every utterance, apart from being pretty unedifying, is rather boring. And in case you hadn't noticed, it's not working either.

First two paragraphs are largely correct. The final one could only come from someone who is blindly supporting a lying fat self serving fraud, which is why Johnson needs to be given enough rope to hang himself by delaying the election.

 

[George Hannah]

It’s not incorrect at all, it’s the truth and you refuse to believe it because it doesn’t suit your political preference of being a right wing leave voter. Aguero93:20 has pointed out to you that a GE will give Johnson a window to force through no deal, with parliament not being able to do anything further.
It’s true that once Oct 31st is gone, both Johnson’s popularity and no deal will be dead and that’s the double whammy for the opposition. Johnson has destabilised the democratic processes, not the opposition, with his suspending parliament and willingness to use the Head of State as a political pawn and willingness to push through no deal without a mandate, by using a GE.

Right wing leave voter? ag20 demonstrating what? Johnson refused a GE? A GE isn't a mandate for a No Deal?
Post truth perfection.

 

[Chippy_boy]

It’s not incorrect at all, it’s the truth and you refuse to believe it because it doesn’t suit your political preference of being a right wing leave voter.

Aguero93:20 has pointed out to you that a GE will give Johnson a window to force through no deal, with parliament not being able to do anything further.

It’s true that once Oct 31st is gone, both Johnson’s popularity and no deal will be dead and that’s the double whammy for the opposition.

Johnson has destabilised the democratic processes, not the opposition, with his suspending parliament and willingness to use the Head of State as a political pawn and willingness to push through no deal without a mandate, by using a GE.

I think you're probably being genuine in your beliefs and are just plain wrong.

Johnson called for a GE on September 3rd. Under the fixed term parliament act the GE could have been 25 working days after that. So we could have had a GE next week, well before the 14th. Parliament could have passed a motion setting the date as say next Tuesday.

Of course Johnson could have won that GE and repealed the Benn law, doing so with the full mandate of the British electorate and the mandate of parliament if he had the numbers to do so. And not doing so if he didn't win the GE or have enough supporting MPs.

But instead of allowing this perfectly normal democratic process, Labour blocked it for political expediency. Nothing wrong with that, all is fair in love and politics and the electorate will make their judgement when the time comes.

 

[cibaman]

Not according to the SNP - that won't happen by next week when they plan the VoC
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/28/boris-johnson-no-deal-brexit-no-confidence-vote-snp

I think Labour’s preference now is to delay the election until after the referendum, probably the best part of a year. Don’t think the SNP and Lib Dem’s want that so tomorrow’s meeting might be interesting

 

[bluejon]

I think you're probably being genuine in your beliefs and are just plain wrong.

Johnson called for a GE on September 3rd. Under the fixed term parliament act the GE could have been 25 working days after that. So we could have had a GE next week, well before the 14th. Parliament could have passed a motion setting the date as say next Tuesday.

Of course Johnson could have won that GE and repealed the Benn law, doing so with the full mandate of the British electorate and the mandate of parliament if he had the numbers to do so. And not doing so if he didn't win the GE or have enough supporting MPs.

But instead of allowing this perfectly normal democratic process, Labour blocked it for political expediency. Nothing wrong with that, all is fair in love and politics and the electorate will make their judgement when the time comes.

Do you think it's acceptable for Johnson to use the grammar he's been throwing out there, 'surrender, traitor' etc?

 

[George Hannah]

I think Labour’s preference now is to delay the election until after the referendum, probably the best part of a year. Don’t think the SNP and Lib Dem’s want that so tomorrow’s meeting might be interesting

A Govt single line, simple majority GE motion would succeed with SNP & Lib Dem support.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Agent Cummings ruining Chippy and George’s year.

Yep - the clown who had a week to come up with an excuse for "humbug" and "it was a mixup" is the best he could do............. then again he probably says he had an absolute belter but the piece of paper that was written on was eaten by the dog....

 

[Ban-jani]

Right wing leave voter? ag20 demonstrating what? Johnson refused a GE? A GE isn't a mandate for a No Deal?
Post truth perfection.

That’s it, continue to ignore all the detail on why a GE means it gives him a window to force through no deal.

Let me know when your head is out of the sand.

 

[BobKowalski]

A Govt single line, simple majority GE motion would succeed with SNP & Lib Dem support.

It can but it will be amendable ie no election can take place until November and only after extension to A50 has been secured.

Although I’m fairly sure Bercow stated the earliest an election can be held now is Nov 5th. Which would be kind of symbolic.

 

[George Hannah]

Do you think it's acceptable for Johnson to use the grammar he's been throwing out there, 'surrender, traitor' etc?

Then raise the scarlet standard high.
Beneath its shade we’ll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer
We’ll keep the red flag flying here.

 

[George Hannah]

It can but it will be amendable ie no election can take place until November and only after extension to A50 has been secured. Although I’m fairly sure Bercow stated the earliest an election can be held now is Nov 5th. Which would be kind of symbolic.

I think BoJo would be quite content to be resurrected from his ditch to push through a No Deal in January.

 

[west didsblue]

Do you think it's acceptable for Johnson to use the grammar he's been throwing out there, 'surrender, traitor' etc?

The irony of all the surrender bullshit is that it’s just as likely that the EU will say enough is enough and refuse to grant an extension anyway with or without the “surrender” bill. They’ve had enough of our bullshit and are much better prepared for no deal than we are. All this talk of surrender is absolute bollocks. We lose either way as long as we’ve got a bluffing fool with a shit hand in charge of negotiations. The threat of no deal is a pair of twos against four aces. We know it and they know it. The fact that Johnson is pretending it would have been 4 aces won’t wash when the other side already have those cards.

 

[George Hannah]

That’s it, continue to ignore all the detail on why a GE means it gives him a window to force through no deal.
Let me know when your head is out of the sand.

Brace yourself for the bald truth BJ: The window for No Deal will always be there until there is a deal or A50 is revoked. The only force required would be the democratic choice of the electorate, reconfirmed by another GE if necessary.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I think BoJo would be quite content to be resurrected from his ditch to push through a No Deal in January.

He will be writing a column for the Sun and preparing to leave politics by January

 

[bluejon]

Then raise the scarlet standard high.
Beneath its shade we’ll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer
We’ll keep the red flag flying here.

Nice whataboutery (I fucking hate that song by the way). The question I asked however related to the use of language by our current PM, language which is being lapped up by the likes of Stephen Yaxley Lennon and Nigel fucking Farage. General rule of thumb, if SYL thinks something is good, it isn't.

 

[Ban-jani]

Brace yourself for the bald truth BJ: The window for No Deal will always be there until there is a deal or A50 is revoked. The only force required would be the democratic choice of the electorate, reconfirmed by another GE if necessary.

Of course it is but giving Johnson ammunition to making it so would be a ridiculous tactic for the opposition.

 

[purplenose]

Do you think it's acceptable for Johnson to use the grammar he's been throwing out there, 'surrender, traitor' etc?

Yes if that's what he thinks. Better we know his true feelings so people can make an informed choice as to whether to vote for him or not.